Blow Up Dolls and Bone-In Wings

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Welcome to the cat and moose podcast.

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I'm Kat and I'm Moose.

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This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.

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Kat say hi to the patrons.

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Hello patrons, she's stuck on the TV.

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I'm stuck in the dual version of myself.

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It's very uncomfortable.

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It's very odd.

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Here's what happened.

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I got COVID, I gave it to Moose.

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We don't want to give it to Kat.

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Thanks, that's it.

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Cheers to that, cheers.

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You were saying before, moose, that you have had many inquisitions.

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Oh yeah, like the.

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Spanish inquisition.

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This is my first official time having COVID.

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I'm pretty sure I had it in 2021, but I've never tested positive until this time and so many people who were planning on being around me or whatever you know we're like or had been around me is a better way to say that we're like.

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What day did you contract it?

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When did you test positive?

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Are you still shedding?

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How many days are your symptoms?

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I hate the word shedding.

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That's disgusting.

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Oh my God, shedding.

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That is so gross, you guys.

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But but yeah, and so, as much as I appreciate those questions, like it feels very much like you're in trouble for getting the covid virus when people ask that yeah, right, and you're like I look, I'm sick.

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I don't even have the.

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I don't even have the energy to tell you about my symptoms or anything else.

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So you go Google.

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Stay away from me as long as you want to stay away from me, but don't blame me if uh, if you get the sniffles too, because I just saw one in 34 people in the U?

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S have COVID right now.

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Yeah, it's, it's like it's, it's has, it has revamped, like, it has like vamped up.

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And the thing that I don't understand is is it any worse now than when it was, when the world shut down in 2020?

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I don't think it's worse, by any means.

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Do you think it's the same?

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I have no idea.

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I mean, I feel like 2020 and 2021 was terrible.

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But it's like it makes me just wonder, like if one in 34 people have COVID, why aren't we shutting the world down again?

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I don't think it is as bad, from what I understand.

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Yeah.

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Apparently, this strain is kind of like a head cold.

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Well, but it also like something like this strain also has.

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I've been told by a medical professional that this strain has been known to cause AFib.

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Yes, somebody else told me that I started keeping track of my heart.

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So far, so good.

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Great Good.

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I'm glad you're well.

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Thank you, hey.

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A couple updates I want to tell listeners about.

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But, uh, that is an option now you're automatically agreeing for your comment to be publicly known yeah, thank you, yeah, thank you for the legal policy that you just yes, I'm so good at that, yeah um, the other thing I was going to share is, if you aren't aware, we are doing video podcasts now on youtube, so if you're like, who are these crazy fools?

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Also, speaking of listeners, we had someone write in and give us an update about something that we talked about, which we are low in the area of follow through.

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We rate pretty low on that, so I would like to thank our listener, amanda, for letting us know about this, and this is what she writes An update on the story you shared on the podcast New Illinois school district teacher sentenced to nine years in prison for stealing 1.5 million worth of chicken wings.

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Do you guys remember this story?

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No, oh my gosh, how could I?

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remember it's from a while ago, you guys, but we have an up.

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Our listeners are our interns.

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No, it does.

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No, you guys are not interns.

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They're our research assistants, I mean Like they are the boots on the ground for us.

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I would prefer to call them research strategists.

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Like I want to call them something that makes them feel more than, rather than less than.

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Okay, that's totally great.

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So our research strategist, amanda Syntheson.

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So, 68-year-old Vera Liddell pulled off the chicken wing heist from July 2020 to February 2022.

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Liddell would place orders for the wings with a food provider for the school district, build the district, but would then keep the wings.

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She ordered 11,000 cases of wings.

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What she loved her wings.

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I love wings too, so I can appreciate this.

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11,000 cases Cases I don't know how many were in a case, but we knew it.

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Let's just say it's like wine.

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Let's say there's 12 servings which is probably 3 chicken tenders in a case, so 12, 24, 36.

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That's a big tender.

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Not tenders.

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These are wings guys.

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This is serious, like legit wing eaters.

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These are wings guys.

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This is serious like legit wing eaters.

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These are the people that go to Buffalo Wild Wings.

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I'm a fan.

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So the heist took place during the pandemic, when schools were closed, but some students would receive meal kits sent to their homes.

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The scheme was revealed when someone at the district found the invoices, which included wings with bones, something that is typically not served to students she liked the bone-in wings.

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I was gonna say so, vera.

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Vera is loving the bone-in chicken.

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Jammers like that is awesome, that's awesome she wants the real deal.

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so anyway, the point is she got nine years in prison for stealing $1.5 million worth of chicken wings.

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Oh my God Wow.

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I mean now, that's some punishment.

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Amanda, that is like that is Intel, that is like high level like you work for the secret service Intel, like that's amazing.

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Yeah, that's like next level stealing from kids.

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So here's what I would like to do is I would like to consider let's pretend that we have any ability to pretend that we're in Vera's body, Okay, and that we're sitting there in jail and we know that for the next nine years we're going to be sitting there in jail because we stole 11 000 cases of chicken tenders no wings, get it right wings they were in trouble.

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The bone was in oh my gosh, maybe I have covid brain fog so you're sitting there reading a book and you're like, so here's the question.

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Yeah.

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You eat your wings in jail.

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Oh no, she can't wait to have another wing.

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You think they're going to give her wings in jail?

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I don't think they give wings in jail.

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They have bones.

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Cause the bones could be used as like escape tools.

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That's why they don't give them to children.

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Correct.

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I mean, if she had just gone with chicken tenders, I think she would have gotten away with this.

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Yeah, totally the minute they saw that there was a bone in that wing.

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they were like somebody's stealing these wings.

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Something is off here.

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Something is off yeah.

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Vera, if you can receive phone calls in jail and you'd be Let us know You'd be willing to talk to the cat and moose podcast about your crime.

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We will re instigate our interview series.

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Okay, cat, no joke, can you look up where she's going to jail and I'll do the rest?

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Like, just deliver to me.

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I mean she can get phone calls so I could probably write her a letter and tell her hey, we'll pay for the.

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I just, I really appreciate.

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I don't think nine years is fair.

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Yeah, cook, county jail cook county jail near chicago oh my god, wow, good job so we're gonna set this thing up, we're gonna set up a phone call are you serious?

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are we really, because we're so good at follow through.

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I legitimately think Vera needs to tell her side of the story 100%.

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I want to hear her side of the story Nine years is not okay, that's a long time for chicken meat.

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It was $1.5 million worth, though.

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Of bone-in chicken meat.

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Yeah, and here's the thing that I'm curious about is like if the hacker that hacked me last year received zero punishment for absolutely wrecking my life and still to this day I can't email my accountant, like the person who is in charge of my money, I can't email her without it going to her junk folder and then getting like expelled out as if it's from the dark web.

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Yeah, there's no recourse for this person and this woman stole chicken wings.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it's not a fair world.

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It's not fair.

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No, I agree.

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Okay, so so check this out.

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So the rule of 100, if you spend 100 hours a year in any discipline, which is only 18 minutes a day, you'd be better than 95% of the world in that discipline.

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You lost me at discipline.

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But it's kind of like the podcast right.

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It's like somebody was talking to me the other day about how they were like now how long have you been doing your podcast?

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And I was like four years every week.

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I mean we've missed a few here and there for things like COVID and family deaths and things like that.

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But it's like okay, like we're really consistent.

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So we may be more consistent than 95% of the population who does podcasts.

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I don't think we're consistent.

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Oh mean, you're gonna get two to three podcasts from us a month.

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But I mean it is literally like, uh, we're in a snow globe and someone shook us up, and every time we plan something it's like oh well, you know, but we, we are definitely trying, like we never go without actually recording something.

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So I'm with you.

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So, yeah, this is my favorite thing to do in the whole world.

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Yes, me too Like this is it this?

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Is it?

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I love my job and I love body work and all that kind of stuff and this is my most favorite.

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Like this is my most favorite thing, and so I, I, I am with you.

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I'm with you 100, 100%.

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So, um, something that happened to me last week.

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I, first of all, I am a huge like.

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This is a bit like a I'm a Jean and Willie moment.

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Okay, like I'm a huge fan, james purse are my pants.

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I'm a.

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Jim and Willie are my t-shirts and my favorite breakfast, nook is Hart's Cafe in East Nashville.

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You know what?

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You totally talked shit about that place a few episodes ago I probably did, and something has happened.

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You did.

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You sat outside and you said how hot it was.

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Oh well, I wasn't talking shit about the place.

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I was talking shit about how hot I was.

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Okay, oh well.

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I wasn't talking shit about the place.

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I was talking shit about how hot I was and how the people I was meeting with seemed to have zero awareness of how hot it was.

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And then I realized they're not fat.

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No, it's not fat either, it's also raging hormones.

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So God bless them.

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Why would they have an awareness right so?

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anyway.

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Did you have your estrogen patch on?

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That's the other question.

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Yes, yes, I did, and it's been doing great, it's been doing really great.

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So, anyway, I was at Hearts Cafe having a meeting with a client and like a third party, you know person that we work with, and the woman that invited us to have brunch with her ordered their strawberry pancakes.

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And their strawberry pancakes are like three huge ass pancakes, like I'm talking like this big, yeah, like big pancakes with like this strawberry compote on top, which is basically like strawberry preserves but heated in the microwave, like it's like so much strawberry sweetness goodness on top of her pancakes.

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And so I ordered the avocado toast, because that's my favorite, I think it's the best avocado toast in town and and my client ordered the Brussels sprouts and some other thing without cheese and stuff like that.

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So, anyway, we're sitting there eating and it comes time for the bill to come, and because this woman invited us to the discussion, it was kind of obvious that she was going to pay for it, and so when the server brought the bill, our friend put down her card for it and the server came back and the most horrific thing that we've all experienced it at least once in our life- is the server said

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I'm sorry this card didn't go through.

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Your card was declined, yeah and so, of course, like me and my client are like it's OK, like we'll pay for it, it's fine, you know, like we didn't want this person to be embarrassed.

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It's awful.

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It's OK that you're poor.

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We got this one.

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Yeah, yeah and so.

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So then she goes wait a minute.

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Wait a minute, it's OK.

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I tried to pay with my HSA card.

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Oh, that's hilarious.

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She tried to pay for strawberry pancakes with her health savings account card and I thought that was funny as shit.

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I thought that was so funny.

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I didn't know.

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I've never had an HSA account.

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I always felt like that was for, like, rich people.

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Um, cause, you know, you're like oh, just put some money over here and if you don't spend it it disappears.

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And I'm like what Like.

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Why would I do that?

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No, mine doesn't.

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You have your own debit card just for like drugs and stuff.

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Yeah, it basically is like it's like a credit card and, at least in my experience, like I put like let's say that I put $1,000 in my, in my healthcare account, that card is good for $1,000.

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And after I spend the $1,000, it will be declined and the only people that that like it will go through for even if it I have money there or not is like a doctor's office or a massage therapist or like a you know something that has to do with my wellness, like my well-being.

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Somehow the card magically knows from the chip or the magnetic strip or whatever that it's only for wellness and health Wellness.

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Wellness Wellness.

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And health, wellness and health.

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Wellness and health, wellness and health, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness, wellness.

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So I just thought, I thought it was really funny that her healthcare card got declined for the strawberry pancakes.

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I just thought the irony in that was hilarious.

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So yeah, I think it's hilarious.

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It took me a minute to figure out what HSA was, but I do think it is very funny I'm sorry, kat uh, if you heard people, and by people I mean young people these days have you heard?

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them.

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I don't hang out with any of those.

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Have you heard?

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them talk about um, red flags and green flags with people.

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I mean, you could probably guess what they mean, but basically the idea is like, if like for you, a red flag might be if somebody doesn't like Celine Dion or something you'd be like there's a red flag there, you know whether it's a friendship or whatever.

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They don't like dogs, yeah, like that is a huge red flag to me.

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Me too yeah.

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Yeah, Um huge red flag to me.

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Me too.

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Yeah, yeah, um, I can literally think of people in my life who I love, but why don't you like animals?

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it makes no sense to me.

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Yeah, like, how do you not like dog?

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well, and then I I also, if I can just insert something here, um I also have a friend in my life who, at least my understanding of her experience, is that she grew up being taught to be afraid of animals that could hurt her and so, like the other day when she came over, I said bell, bell, so-and-so's here to see you, and she froze up.

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And that doesn't mean that she doesn't like dogs.

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It means that, like, her trauma response was to be still and freeze up.

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You know and so to me she has an experience.

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Yeah, To me that feels different than I don't like dogs or maybe everybody who doesn't like dogs has had a bad experience.

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Okay, well, except for the people who've been attacked by dogs, there's something wrong with you if you don't like that that's what I'm getting at.

00:18:51.003 --> 00:18:54.759
Um, that's not what cat's getting out, but that's what I'm getting at.

00:18:54.759 --> 00:19:04.896
So I was thinking about other red flags like what are those and what are green flags for people, and I was curious if you guys had any thoughts off the top of your head.

00:19:04.896 --> 00:19:19.241
I'll share mine first, because that's what I do a red flag for me is when people are quoting movies all the time okay, why?

00:19:20.805 --> 00:19:26.141
because okay, example you're like, yeah, I don't know about that.

00:19:26.141 --> 00:19:28.295
And they'll be like, if peeing in your pants is cool, then I'm Miles Davis and you're like, yeah, I don't know about that.

00:19:28.295 --> 00:19:32.767
And they'll be like, if peeing in your pants is cool, then I'm miles davis and you're like, what the hell did you just break down?

00:19:32.767 --> 00:19:35.176
And they're like, oh no, it's from tommy boy.

00:19:35.176 --> 00:19:35.617
You don't know.

00:19:35.617 --> 00:19:36.641
That's from tommy boy.

00:19:36.641 --> 00:19:42.880
Yeah, and like I, it's a red flag for me, like I'd never gotten it, I've never understood it.

00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:50.335
It feels like an inside joke and I, even if I was quick enough, I would be annoyed by it.

00:19:50.335 --> 00:19:51.858
So that's a red flag for me.

00:19:52.661 --> 00:19:57.271
I I have to tell you again I'm making it all about me.

00:19:57.271 --> 00:19:57.732
I'm I.

00:19:57.732 --> 00:20:04.501
I don't know if you noticed or not, but I'm learning a lesson this week about I take everything very personally and it's not.

00:20:04.823 --> 00:20:23.058
It's not it's not about me, it's nothing, it's never you're just learning that this week I am no I've been learning it for my whole life and just this week it is like landing, like the plane is landing and I'm going oh shit, it's really not about me which is great, like that's.

00:20:23.058 --> 00:20:33.384
It's a great awareness and um, I just want you to know that, whether you meant it this way or not, I feel so seen you don't like movie quotes either.

00:20:33.865 --> 00:20:47.229
I don't, I don't like them, because 99.9 of the time I haven't seen the movie me too, and if I have seen the movie, how the hell am I supposed to remember one line right?

00:20:47.229 --> 00:20:54.726
And so that suggests to me that you are a multiple, you watch movies multiple times.

00:20:54.726 --> 00:21:01.104
I don't do that either yeah now every once in a while, if twister is on yes, I will watch it.

00:21:01.124 --> 00:21:02.086
I mean Helen Hunt.

00:21:02.086 --> 00:21:02.968
Will you quote it?

00:21:03.496 --> 00:21:07.547
yeah, I mean there's a handful, but I couldn't quote anything from it.

00:21:08.115 --> 00:21:08.739
I really couldn't.

00:21:09.862 --> 00:21:11.798
I think for me, I think movies.

00:21:11.798 --> 00:21:13.323
I have no quotes from.

00:21:13.904 --> 00:21:27.304
Yeah, I think for me, like I could list, on one hand, I'm going to try, if that's okay, um top gun, the sound of music, flash dance, some kind of wonderful.

00:21:32.595 --> 00:21:33.317
I know about two of those.

00:21:33.317 --> 00:21:34.159
Like you're going hard on the 80s man.

00:21:34.179 --> 00:21:39.940
Yeah, well, I guess what I'm saying is like those are the only movies that I have watched more than once that I that I can.

00:21:39.940 --> 00:21:41.383
Oh, the polar express.

00:21:41.383 --> 00:21:42.625
I've seen the polar express.

00:21:42.625 --> 00:21:54.327
I watch it like every christmas, and so those are like five movies that I've seen more than once, and I may be on a good mental clarity day can remember a quote from each one.

00:21:54.795 --> 00:21:56.742
What about, like Star Wars?

00:21:56.742 --> 00:21:58.566
That's the worst is Star Wars.

00:21:58.586 --> 00:21:59.028
I love.

00:21:59.048 --> 00:21:59.250
Star Wars.

00:21:59.250 --> 00:22:02.865
I've seen Star Wars a lot too, but I don't have a ton of quotes.

00:22:02.865 --> 00:22:06.540
I mean, help me, obi-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.

00:22:06.540 --> 00:22:07.747
Help me, obi-wwan kenobi, you're my only hope.

00:22:07.767 --> 00:22:17.016
I know like kenobi like I don't know man, I I may be missing the boat, so feel free to no write in and put a nasty comment on spotify.

00:22:17.036 --> 00:22:18.698
Now can you give us a green flag?

00:22:19.419 --> 00:22:22.583
yeah, okay, so a green flag.

00:22:22.583 --> 00:22:25.605
Oh, I have so many red flags.

00:22:26.346 --> 00:22:26.507
Um.

00:22:26.507 --> 00:22:37.522
Does that just Mean like steer clear, don't, don't interact, toxic person A red flag just means that I don't click with it.

00:22:38.037 --> 00:22:39.876
It's just like I don't Get.

00:22:39.876 --> 00:22:42.759
It is all I mean I'm not saying I'm actually Running from these people.

00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.156
I just don't Understand it.

00:22:44.156 --> 00:23:09.307
A green flag is like you know how, when somebody likes your music, like that's a green flag for me, like if you find out that somebody's like a big fan of the same artist as you yeah, okay yeah, you know yeah, like right now chapel roan's huge billy eilish's record is huge, like huge fans of both of those, um you know.

00:23:09.386 --> 00:23:14.923
So like that's a green flag for me when you find out that people are into the same kind of music.

00:23:14.923 --> 00:23:17.596
What are green flags for you guys?

00:23:18.317 --> 00:23:28.492
hmm, sarah um, for me it would be like people that are interested in like gardening or landscaping, or or birding.

00:23:28.492 --> 00:23:28.954
Birding.

00:23:28.954 --> 00:23:33.142
I met someone at the airport that's super into birding, which I was like.

00:23:33.142 --> 00:23:36.848
I wanted to be as into birding as her.

00:23:37.615 --> 00:23:38.258
Like, but not.

00:23:38.258 --> 00:23:40.265
But not creepy into birding.

00:23:40.756 --> 00:23:56.640
No, like like she was like get this app and then get this app and she's like a member, member of like the local chapter in her county Is it the Audubon Society't the Audubon society she's very aware of it, but yeah, it's just like something she started doing with her mom and, like I was like I now want to be a birder.

00:23:56.640 --> 00:23:57.241
Yeah.

00:23:57.703 --> 00:24:00.520
I mean, I think it's time to lean into burning.

00:24:02.826 --> 00:24:03.208
It's kind of.

00:24:03.208 --> 00:24:14.417
It's kind of like gardening and flowers and stuff too.

00:24:14.417 --> 00:24:31.461
Like my sister bought me a t-shirt she saw a t-shirt at Walmart the other day that made her think of me and it was this like yin yang that was made up of like flowers on one side and then it was like kind of clear on the other, but the, the dark part was like a flower, Like it was really beautiful and it said something along the lines of growth the only way to grow is to go through.

00:24:31.481 --> 00:24:35.255
Oh, that's good you know, like it was really, really thoughtful.

00:24:35.255 --> 00:24:39.183
And my sister was like I feel like this is like what you talk about all the time.

00:24:39.183 --> 00:24:42.935
Plus, it's a yin yang, she, and she's like I say it yin yang, and that's how I'm going.

00:24:42.935 --> 00:24:51.661
Oh, gardening, yes.

00:24:51.661 --> 00:25:02.209
So now that my sister and I are both in our forties I'm close to 50 and she's getting closer, let's be honest, like we both know oh, are those impatience?

00:25:02.209 --> 00:25:03.328
Are those lilacs?

00:25:03.328 --> 00:25:04.089
Are those?

00:25:04.369 --> 00:25:04.710
rose of.

00:25:04.750 --> 00:25:06.731
Sharon, are those crepe myrtles Like?

00:25:06.731 --> 00:25:09.874
And that's something that, like, I would not have known.

00:25:09.874 --> 00:25:17.403
10, 15 years ago, you know, and so my sister was trying to decide like are the flowers on the shirt poppies, are they roses?

00:25:17.403 --> 00:25:18.267
Are they daisies?

00:25:18.267 --> 00:25:18.907
Like what are they?

00:25:18.907 --> 00:25:23.048
And I was like, oh my gosh, like we're showing our age right now, you know.

00:25:23.048 --> 00:25:26.922
So I'm just agreeing with you that now is the time for gardening and birding.

00:25:26.922 --> 00:25:27.923
Yeah for sure.

00:25:27.962 --> 00:25:28.564
It's just time.

00:25:29.144 --> 00:25:29.645
It's just time.

00:25:30.346 --> 00:25:34.093
So Moose what are some green flags for you just music.

00:25:34.173 --> 00:25:39.409
I told you, music is the only one that's the only one yeah, I've got a lot of red flags.

00:25:39.409 --> 00:25:42.825
You want to hear more about those, sure?

00:25:42.825 --> 00:25:56.005
So I mean, I think anyone who drops names is super annoying yeah you know that's like oh, let me tell you about who I know and who I spent time with man and I.

00:25:56.005 --> 00:25:57.866
Just it's a red flag, what?

00:25:57.866 --> 00:25:58.307
Okay?

00:25:58.968 --> 00:26:00.828
Oh sorry, why?

00:26:00.828 --> 00:26:04.471
What made you bring up the red and green flags?

00:26:05.472 --> 00:26:07.634
Mainly because it made me think about.

00:26:07.634 --> 00:26:10.057
It's a good question.

00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:13.722
Like what are my yeses?

00:26:14.003 --> 00:26:15.749
and what are my?

00:26:16.432 --> 00:26:16.732
no's okay.

00:26:16.732 --> 00:26:18.960
So what are your green flags, kat?

00:26:19.902 --> 00:26:39.623
my green flags would easily be anything that has to do with the fascination and study of the body and of energy and of um of kind of Taoist philosophy type, like balance in all things, like that.

00:26:39.623 --> 00:26:48.704
Like to me, if you want to talk to me about that, like you're immediately like in my inner sanctum not really in my inner sanctum, but it's a green flag.

00:26:48.704 --> 00:26:50.631
Yeah, it's a green flag for me.

00:26:50.631 --> 00:26:55.804
I think another one is also music, but I just don't ever I shouldn't say I don't ever.

00:26:55.804 --> 00:26:59.669
I rarely run into that because my musical tastes are.

00:26:59.669 --> 00:27:04.295
I think from a societal standpoint they're really lame.

00:27:04.295 --> 00:27:15.625
I love my musical taste, but I think a lot of people are like wow, like you actually really jam out to Celine Dion and Sarah McLachlan in your car, like that's actually a real thing.

00:27:15.806 --> 00:27:29.570
And I'm like well, you've probably hit the age where you're not looking for new stuff, You're just going back and listening to the nostalgic stuff that you love because the other moments in my day I feel like I'm going to die.

00:27:30.221 --> 00:27:38.484
So it's like if I can just like if I can just have some nostalgia, some peace and comfort and remember all that one time.

00:27:38.484 --> 00:27:45.686
That one song is when we kissed and that was so nice, because you know, like that, yeah, yeah oh, wow, wow.

00:27:46.308 --> 00:27:52.046
hey, so does that mean that the artists that you like may very well be red flags to other people?

00:27:53.388 --> 00:27:54.230
Oh, probably.

00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:10.951
Yeah, or just either red flags, but but I guess, like I mean, I guess if those people go away, like, if they're like oh, you like Sarah McLachlan, yeah, we can't be friends, like yeah maybe so, and I hope it is good riddance, bye-bye.

00:28:11.180 --> 00:28:11.401
Okay.

00:28:11.401 --> 00:28:14.670
So what do you guys think are your red flags for other people?

00:28:14.670 --> 00:28:17.763
I'll tell you mine, I would say.

00:28:17.763 --> 00:28:29.708
Someone might say that a red flag that I have for them would be my impatience, like the flower, yes, like the flower.

00:28:29.708 --> 00:28:37.861
See, it all comes back around see it all comes back around.

00:28:38.082 --> 00:28:39.304
So let me be sure I understand the question right.

00:28:39.304 --> 00:28:41.367
So like it's a red flag, that you give off.

00:28:41.387 --> 00:28:41.808
I don't know.

00:28:41.808 --> 00:28:44.733
To be honest with you, at this point I've turned us around.

00:28:44.733 --> 00:28:45.601
So far.

00:28:45.601 --> 00:28:50.186
I have no clue what a red and a green flag is oh, yes, no, but you do.

00:28:50.667 --> 00:28:53.632
Like you're so smart, like you're so incredibly smart.

00:28:54.292 --> 00:29:06.852
I think that my I'm saying some people might say that impatient people are red flags, Like maybe they've had bad experiences and I can carry that sometimes.

00:29:07.034 --> 00:29:17.450
I see, I see, and for me I think mine is, and I've been talking with my friend Rachel about this lately is about big, yang, big energy, big outward energy.

00:29:17.450 --> 00:29:29.013
Like, do I take up so much space, is my energy so big that there's not room for the other person to be able to like for them?

00:29:29.054 --> 00:29:29.634
to be big.

00:29:31.163 --> 00:29:37.354
Is it just really tantamount that I'm big all the time and therefore you have no time to be big?

00:29:37.354 --> 00:29:39.949
Even when I'm trying to be small, I'm big.

00:29:39.949 --> 00:29:47.672
Like I was trying to actively listen to someone today and so I was like, oh, your experience sounds like that was really hard.

00:29:47.672 --> 00:29:49.981
And she was like, well, actually it wasn't really hard.

00:29:49.981 --> 00:29:51.022
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:51.022 --> 00:29:58.191
And it's like I got on her nerves because, like I was trying to be really small and really listen to her.

00:29:58.191 --> 00:30:08.009
But it's like even then I was still like I'm imposing my opinion on you you stupid whore, you know, but were you trying to be small?

00:30:08.089 --> 00:30:08.631
Cause I doesn't.

00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:28.631
I don't think that sounds like you being small, that like you being small, that sounds like you being trying to be empathic to what they were feeling and I was trying to be empathic to how they were feeling and I perceive that as me like shrinking like me, like going oh, let's make this moment about you like that.

00:30:28.631 --> 00:30:30.513
I don't feel that at all.

00:30:30.513 --> 00:30:32.243
So I need to understand that.

00:30:32.243 --> 00:30:33.346
Can you break that down for me?

00:30:33.968 --> 00:30:49.151
Well, it sounds like and I have no idea if this is true, but it sounds like that person was actually avoiding connection with you by agreeing with what you suggested, like they didn't want to say oh yeah, they didn't want to go deeper.

00:30:49.151 --> 00:30:53.525
They actually were like that's all I wanted to say about that that's a guess, okay.

00:30:53.765 --> 00:30:54.086
Okay.

00:30:54.086 --> 00:30:58.932
So I'm doing that thing where, like, I'm trying to like make love with my eyes, like that.

00:30:59.152 --> 00:31:02.316
Yeah, you and our other friend, you know who they are.

00:31:02.901 --> 00:31:06.090
Oh, I do, you guys love to make love.

00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:08.728
And granted, I'm not saying you did anything wrong.

00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:21.708
I'm saying that they're, I mean maybe we change, maybe we change maybe we change the tagline for the cat and moose podcast to we love to make love.

00:31:21.729 --> 00:31:22.490
We just love to make love.

00:31:22.490 --> 00:31:22.951
It's it's time.

00:31:22.951 --> 00:31:27.986
It's time we try something new, guys, that would require me doing it more often.

00:31:27.986 --> 00:31:35.868
I think well making love, yes well you can it is a beautiful free society.

00:31:35.868 --> 00:31:40.049
Oh Lord, go find a love-making partner or do it.

00:31:40.049 --> 00:31:42.729
You can do it yourself if you'd like.

00:31:42.729 --> 00:31:45.750
Oh my God, you can Well.

00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:51.413
I mean, you could buy a friend in Target.

00:31:51.413 --> 00:31:55.387
I mean, you guys, they have vibrators in target.

00:31:55.387 --> 00:31:59.044
Now, she said it, but they do.

00:31:59.044 --> 00:32:01.450
We should talk about this, that's true that's true.

00:32:01.769 --> 00:32:06.829
I did not know that I haven't been to target in like two years I haven't either, but I've seen the tiktoks.

00:32:07.191 --> 00:32:10.685
I mean, that's another red flag, like what?

00:32:10.786 --> 00:32:11.548
what kind kind of?

00:32:12.229 --> 00:32:13.672
What, what kind do they have?

00:32:13.711 --> 00:32:14.953
What are they showing on TikTok?

00:32:15.579 --> 00:32:21.012
Well, they're just showing people are either outraged or think it's fantastic.

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:22.262
Oh, like that.

00:32:22.262 --> 00:32:23.246
It's available at the store.

00:32:23.788 --> 00:32:25.913
Yeah, there's like an aisle, I think.

00:32:26.617 --> 00:32:32.521
Well, yeah, I mean, it's like why do we need to attach shame to that Like fair?

00:32:32.561 --> 00:32:41.371
Well, thank God you don't have to go down to bernie's sex shop down on broadway I mean you walk in those places like everyone.

00:32:41.371 --> 00:32:42.173
Raise your hand.

00:32:42.173 --> 00:32:43.361
You've been in one of those.

00:32:43.361 --> 00:32:44.464
I've never been in one.

00:32:44.464 --> 00:32:45.307
Don't go.

00:32:45.307 --> 00:32:46.290
Don't cat.

00:32:46.511 --> 00:32:52.526
I went with you one time I know I was gonna say if you try to say that you haven't been, i'm'm going to call bullshit.

00:32:52.546 --> 00:32:57.694
No, I won't, I won't say it, but that is the last place I ever want to go.

00:32:57.694 --> 00:32:59.286
I think they're so gross.

00:32:59.286 --> 00:33:04.612
Yeah, I mean, we were a bunch of 20-year-olds and we were like, let's go see what it's like.

00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:12.835
And then they have the little candy jars at the counter that have free samples of the lube that makes everything hot.

00:33:12.835 --> 00:33:13.804
Do you remember that?

00:33:13.844 --> 00:33:14.729
Oh, my God.

00:33:16.541 --> 00:33:18.307
You just said lube on the podcast.

00:33:18.307 --> 00:33:19.861
I did Well this.

00:33:19.861 --> 00:33:22.971
Okay, I've been to two different ones, if I'm being honest.

00:33:22.971 --> 00:33:38.827
One was like this creepy one downtown Bernie's Sex Shop, not really, but it's called like Nashville's Newspaper or something, not Hustler, no, it was before Hustler came to town, but then that one was super weird.

00:33:38.827 --> 00:33:45.289
But there's like some messed up stuff there and I'm trying not to be critical.

00:33:45.289 --> 00:33:52.811
Well, like blow up dolls, like if you have to buy something that you have to Get it on Amazon.

00:33:54.220 --> 00:33:54.259
No.

00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:54.520
Don't get it.

00:33:54.540 --> 00:33:55.727
No, I'm not judging if you have to get it on.

00:33:55.948 --> 00:33:56.067
Amazon.

00:33:56.067 --> 00:33:56.490
No, don't get it.

00:33:56.490 --> 00:34:05.564
No, I'm not judging if you want to get it, but, like I guess it's the people that were in there and what they were looking at, I was totally judging.

00:34:06.005 --> 00:34:18.925
I mean, I need to hear more about this experience, cause I feel like you were going to really judge, like if you need something that tickles your butthole, then you know like, then you your butthole, then you know like, then you're a terrible person you know like what are you thinking?

00:34:19.427 --> 00:34:29.574
I guess it bothers me that people buy like blow-up dolls to have relations with oh yeah that's concerning to me.

00:34:29.574 --> 00:34:30.958
What if they?

00:34:31.099 --> 00:34:32.686
what if they don't have a person?

00:34:32.686 --> 00:34:34.956
Better than them taking a person?

00:34:35.137 --> 00:34:40.695
I mean, you just got done, telling me I could orchestrate this by myself you totally can I.

00:34:40.896 --> 00:34:44.625
I again like I'm trying to withhold my judgment.

00:34:44.625 --> 00:34:49.481
I think I've known some really gross people in my life and I can that's fair.

00:34:49.481 --> 00:35:01.266
In my mind the ones who have bought blow-up dolls before like what happens in your mind the day that you decide to go buy a blow-up doll.

00:35:01.266 --> 00:35:08.884
Like it has to have escalated to that point, okay, somebody listening has fucking done that.

00:35:10.105 --> 00:35:26.007
And and more than we need to interview Vera about her 11 million cases of chicken wings, we have to talk about what was the moment in your life where you decided I'm getting the blow-up doll.

00:35:26.481 --> 00:35:27.423
I would like to know.

00:35:27.423 --> 00:35:29.489
Yeah, I agree.

00:35:29.940 --> 00:35:32.001
I think it would offer so much perspective.

00:35:32.722 --> 00:35:36.485
It really would, and nobody's going to come forward.

00:35:36.865 --> 00:35:38.226
I just don't feel like anyone's coming forward.

00:35:38.226 --> 00:35:39.208
I think it would offer so much perspective.

00:35:39.228 --> 00:35:40.429
It really would and nobody's going to come forward.

00:35:40.429 --> 00:35:41.989
I just don't feel like anyone's coming forward.

00:35:42.010 --> 00:35:42.550
I totally do.

00:35:42.550 --> 00:35:45.132
We have like 90% women listening.

00:35:45.132 --> 00:35:46.134
Women can buy blow-up dolls.

00:35:46.414 --> 00:35:49.777
I'm sure there are, some Are there male blow-up dolls.

00:35:49.777 --> 00:35:53.123
I don't know they're buying vibrators?

00:35:53.143 --> 00:35:53.704
Yeah, they are.

00:35:53.704 --> 00:35:55.208
Why is that worse?

00:35:55.208 --> 00:35:56.393
Why am I so judgy?

00:35:56.673 --> 00:35:57.014
I don't know.

00:35:57.014 --> 00:35:57.536
They're buying vibrators.

00:35:57.556 --> 00:35:57.836
Yeah, they are.

00:35:57.836 --> 00:35:58.217
Why is that worse?

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Why am I so judgy?

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I don't know.

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Do they sell blow-up dolls at Target?

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Probably not Coming in 2025.

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Along with the latest strain of COVID that causes you to lose your two big toes, oh my gosh.

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Free blow-up doll with purchase the Cat and Moose podcast Free blow-up doll with purchase the cat and moose podcast free blow-up doll purchase.

00:36:22.686 --> 00:36:25.050
Oh, speaking of, before we head out, bobby gosh, damn it, bobby.

00:36:25.050 --> 00:36:28.103
We have new stickers, guys look, it matches your background.

00:36:28.143 --> 00:36:29.405
Do it again new stickers.

00:36:29.726 --> 00:36:31.250
What do you mean, new stickers?

00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:34.168
Uh well, we order through sticker mule.

00:36:34.168 --> 00:36:36.219
I don't know if anyone else uses Sticker Mule.

00:36:36.260 --> 00:36:37.344
Because she wants the hot sauce.

00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:39.989
They have free hot sauce if you spend $80.

00:36:40.722 --> 00:36:46.059
Oh, that's not a good deal I was running out of stickers by the way we have why?

00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:47.023
Because you're going-.

00:36:49.282 --> 00:36:53.427
Oh, I'm going to the podcast convention next week.

00:36:53.427 --> 00:36:58.815
I'm so excited in DC to learn some new fun, amazing stuff for our podcast.

00:36:58.815 --> 00:37:00.063
Very excited about it.

00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.610
You're going to splatter the place with some cat mysticers.

00:37:03.780 --> 00:37:05.527
I'm going to slather the place with cat mysticers.

00:37:05.840 --> 00:37:09.864
Well, I've got some pins for you too, okay cool and we have some blow-up dolls now.

00:37:10.186 --> 00:37:10.809
Yeah, I do want to.

00:37:10.809 --> 00:37:18.782
They're all of moose though they're all of moose.

00:37:18.802 --> 00:37:19.764
That's disgusting and I don't want anyone.

00:37:19.764 --> 00:37:20.547
Why can't cat have one?

00:37:20.547 --> 00:37:22.411
And what about a producer, sarah blow-up doll.

00:37:22.431 --> 00:37:24.322
Well, if you want that, we will make it.

00:37:24.322 --> 00:37:27.728
I want to give a shout out to kim from florence kentucky.

00:37:27.728 --> 00:37:32.445
She started listening uh to the podcast from the very beginning.

00:37:32.445 --> 00:37:37.240
She's listened to four years of this podcast kim, are you okay?

00:37:37.902 --> 00:37:44.201
what, yeah, seriously for her and she wrote recently I'm laughing so hard, I'm crying right now.

00:37:44.201 --> 00:37:53.025
Moose just told the story of watching madonna madonna video and her mom pulling the cable out of the wall.

00:37:53.025 --> 00:37:56.411
And then she wrote oh my god, and now the toilet paper club.

00:37:56.411 --> 00:37:57.112
I'm dying.

00:37:57.112 --> 00:37:58.945
So I think she's still back at 2020.

00:37:58.945 --> 00:38:07.748
Wow, but, kim, when you get to 2024, you're gonna really hear this yeah, no kidding, and good job sticking around.

00:38:07.789 --> 00:38:10.173
We appreciate you oh yeah, we appreciate you, kim.

00:38:10.260 --> 00:38:16.574
Thank you so much well, guys, it's been a I mean, it's been a real joy, as usual.

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This episode is sponsored by Hustler and Blow Up Dolls.

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And Blow Up Dolls and Blow Up Dolls and Sticker Mule.

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Sticker Mule.

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Yeah, thanks, sticker Mule, for the hot sauce.

00:38:28.367 --> 00:38:29.362
Thank you, hey.

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What I was going to say is, if you want a sticker, or yours is sort of Faded, disappeared, gone away, you washed it in the dishwasher.

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Whatever, let us know.

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Let us know.

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Send us a DM on the Instagram with your address.

00:38:43.659 --> 00:38:49.005
I have one job, and that is to communicate with our fans and send them stickers.

00:38:49.344 --> 00:38:49.626
Yep.

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So hit us up, give me work.

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All the different ways.

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Give her some work, hello at cat and moose podcastcom.

00:38:55.331 --> 00:38:56.572
Send us your address.

00:38:56.572 --> 00:38:59.373
We will send you stickers for free, guys.

00:38:59.373 --> 00:39:01.896
Yeah, free stickers all day long.

00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:07.891
You'll get a little like card that has our logo on it and you'll get all of our signatures on it.

00:39:07.891 --> 00:39:09.159
Like it's real fancy.

00:39:09.481 --> 00:39:23.403
You'll get a uh, uh, nearly naked photo, uh, of the cat and moose co-hosts cat moose and producer Sarah, and that one has the dogs in it nearly naked as well, so yeah.

00:39:24.980 --> 00:39:26.143
Hey, this is what you came for.

00:39:26.643 --> 00:39:30.132
Yeah, become a Patreon, you get even more.

00:39:30.981 --> 00:39:34.050
If you become a patron on Patreon, you get even more.

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That's right.

00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:36.420
Thank you for saying that correctly.

00:39:36.460 --> 00:39:56.835
Bye guys special thanks to our producer, sarah reed, to find out more, go to catandmoosepodcastcom.

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Cat and Moose is a BP Production.