Chutzpah and Shedding Your Skin
Chutzpah and Shedding Your Skin
🎙️ This week on the Kat and Moose Podcast, Kat and Moose take the reins (with Producer Sara sequestered for jury duty) and things get hilar…
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Jan. 20, 2025

Chutzpah and Shedding Your Skin

Chutzpah and Shedding Your Skin

🎙️ This week on the Kat and Moose Podcast, Kat and Moose take the reins (with Producer Sara sequestered for jury duty) and things get hilariously unfiltered! Moose reflects on her newfound love for ChatGPT and her quest to live with more chutzpah in 2025. Meanwhile, Kat explores fear, responsibility, and a moment of growth involving crumbs at the breakfast nook.

From a TikTok mishap that led to a total meltdown (and deleted account!) to discussions about Mel Robbins, Martha Beck, and embracing authenticity, this episode is a quirky deep dive into being human. Plus, Moose shares her experience with Lens Neurofeedback and why it felt like a body-buzz reset.

With musings on bravery, bunkers, and the energy costs of AI, this raw and ridiculous episode will have you laughing, reflecting, and maybe even Googling Yiddish slang. As Kat says, “This is the Year of the Snake—shed your old skin.”

Don’t forget to pack your chutzpah and join us for the ride! 🎉


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Chapters

00:04 - Exploring Human Quirks and AI Integration

05:46 - Navigating AI Assistance in Daily Life

21:36 - Exploring Fear and Personal Prisons

32:51 - Navigating Fear and Self-Perception

36:56 - Facing Fears and Building Bravery

42:34 - Exploring Alternative Therapies for Healing

Transcript
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welcome to the cat and moose podcast.

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I'm cat and I'm moose.

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This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.

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I I felt like your face said I don't know what's up.

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We haven't even started the podcast I know we haven't.

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Hey hey Moose.

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Okay, hey Kat.

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Hey Moose, hey Kat.

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We've established that I'm not following.

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Okay.

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So if you're a patron, you heard a lot just now and I'm not going to apologize for it, but I'm not going to share it for everyone else either and I'm not going to apologize for it, um, but I'm not gonna share it for everyone else either, and and I'm not gonna apologize for it either, and I'm not gonna approve it being sent to the public what I just shared, yeah why?

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oh no, wait your part, your part is fine.

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Yeah, your part's great, okay, whatever, yeah cat.

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cat is.

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Uh, sarah is on a jury trial.

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If you missed last week's episode, she is sequestered in a part of the state that we cannot mention.

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It is a murder trial.

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I've been watching it incessantly, as have our friends, and more to come there, but we are in charge of the podcast this week, which is a frightening thing I mean I'm impressed we got this far, aren't you?

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I, I am too.

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Yeah, I am too because I have truly like disengaged from work this weekend.

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Good, I have.

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I have truly like.

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I have slept ridiculous hours.

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I have slept at weird times that I don't normally sleep.

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I have had drinks during the day.

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I have I have just had a really relaxing weekend.

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That's great.

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I feel the same way.

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I feel like this weekend um feels sort of like the Christmas holiday again, where I'm like wait, cause I know we have a holiday with martin luther king day coming up, um right, and so I know I have an extra day there and I've been the same way.

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I've just kind of done whatever I wanted to do, which is nice yeah, that is nice.

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What, what did you do?

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um, I've not read, I've listened.

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I've read a book.

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That's actually true.

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I read Mel Robbins book, the let them theory, or whatever that's called, what?

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Yeah, I know that's amazing, isn't it?

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Um, and then I am now listening to Martha Beck's book beyond anxiety, which is, uh, really good.

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Um, being a Martha Beck follower, um, I was excited to start hearing that and um, anyway, it's really fascinating.

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so, would you?

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Would you share the cliff notes of Mel Robbins, let them?

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Because I I feel like I've kind of in my social media feeds, I feel like I've kind of in my social media feeds, I feel like I've been teased, that it's like, oh, she wrote a book, oh, it's called Let them, and I'm like, what a compelling title.

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Because, like, what does that mean?

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Yeah, like are we, are we angry?

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Like well, just let them be assholes.

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Or it's like do we mean, just let them be them and I'll be me.

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Yeah, I'll be.

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It's basically that.

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It's basically the second.

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It is that okay yeah, it's like yeah, okay, so you have a mother-in-law who you literally every time you're together, she critiques you or something like that.

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Um, the idea is, instead of letting that you know have all of the control it could have over you, let them be who they are.

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And, yeah, the unattached idea that you just said is, it's kind of where it's at and she goes through different areas.

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Um, there's been some controversy around this book, I guess, because there's someone who raised their hand and said I actually wrote that idea on mediumcom, you know the, where people write all their fancy blogs and stuff, um, but I don't know if anything's come of it, but regardless it's a cool idea.

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Like um.

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I appreciate the idea because in theory it's kind of that maya angelo quote we talk about all the time.

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You know.

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When somebody shows you who they are, pay attention or believe them believe them, believe them, yeah well, and I'm interested in this topic as well because, um, it just makes me think about I have a client, um, I don't know if I want to say that, um, look at your discernment kicking in Um um, I think that AI and all that it can do is very, very fascinating.

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For example, I asked AI last night I was thinking about one of my clients and I asked AI will you create an acupressure routine for me that would help an artist who is a singer before they sing on stage?

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I love that.

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I think that's.

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I think that's the the gist of what I asked chat gbt and it gave me, literally like from one of my acupressure books, like that was written back in the 1970s, that we all know was really written back in the fucking negative 3000s in ancient china, whatever.

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Like it gave me the hold this spot in front of the sternocleidomastoid, hold this spot here, like hold cv.

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You know it.

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Like gave me all the things and it gave me all the reasons why.

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And it it was like it was fascinating and I thought, okay, this is like ai being used for good oh, I couldn't agree more.

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I I have on my list here my love affair with chat gpt on my list to talk about, so I'm I'm thrilled about this because there are people in this world and I think you and I fall under this category that we're excellent idea people and we know what we need.

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But for whatever reason and I could name a bunch of them the idea of getting from a to q, those steps can bog us down so much that we can get overwhelmed.

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Yeah, and I feel like what chat gpt does is I can still come to the table with my idea with an excellent prompt, and within I always count one, two.

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I've never had more than four seconds.

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It'll still be typing sometimes, but like it can take with an excellent prompt like this is what I'm looking for.

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I try to give as much detail as I can and it puts together a framework that I could never do on my own Right.

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Right, and here's.

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Here's what I'm wondering about.

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It, though, is is can I give you an example of something that happened to me this week?

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Ok, so I am working with my intern on a spring tour that we're working on, and she had a conversation with someone and was describing the tour and that person was like, oh, this, this and this might not work because of this.

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And so I was like, oh, my intern just didn't know to say this this way and this this way and this this way.

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And so I called my intern and I was like I left her a voicemail.

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I said, hey, you might want to consider.

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This is why this person responded this way when you do this in the future, say it this way, because that might provide a little bit more understanding.

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And so I went through the car wash and when I got out of the car wash, I looked at my phone and it said my intern's name.

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It was just a little like prompt on my phone, and it said something along the lines of heard and understood.

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Prompt on my phone.

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And it said something along the lines of heard and understood.

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And I was like, wow, that doesn't sound like like the spirit of my intern heard and understood.

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Did you text GPT instead of your intern?

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No, I didn't.

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I turned on AI on my iPhone, I updated my software and so now it's giving me prompts.

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It's telling me what my intern said was heard and understood, and then, when I went and looked at what she actually said to me, she said I got your voicemail and listened to it, and that makes complete sense.

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I will consider that moving forward.

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So they said the same thing interesting wait chat.

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But they said I translated what she said.

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That's really weird.

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Yes, is that for?

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me, and what app was doing that?

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I don't, it's just my phone like there's no, there's no app.

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It was like apple was like hey, ai click yes or no.

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The yes one's really pretty with a lot of yeah and you don't even think about it.

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Yeah, right right, yeah.

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So I was like yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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And now that shit's coming up on my phone and my whole point being is that, like that, I feel like, is taking us further and further away from like be your authentic self, be unattached, be blah, blah, blah, blah blah, because we're going to be just getting fed this like these Cheerios over here.

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Yeah, I don't know about that.

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You got to find a way to turn that off.

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I don't think it should change what we say as humans.

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I think it should be.

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A helpful assistant is what I'm looking for.

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Oh yeah, like I'm looking for that too.

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What I'm saying is wow, how can you possibly immediately trust?

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Oh, I agree.

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That it is that.

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No, I totally agree.

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I was with you, kat.

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I was absolutely with you.

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I feel like you're always with me, okay, so I actually asked.

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Here's my other thing I like about ChatGPT is I appreciate how it and I know this causes some people's security issues but I appreciate how it gets to know you, and so the other day I asked it directly everything that I have entered into chat gpt, what do you, what advice would you give me?

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And it gave me the best freaking advice me and it gave me the best freaking advice you have.

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I mean, can you share it?

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Let me?

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Let me look.

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I should have.

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I think I couldn't to some degree, um, but I mean, you know, I I put a lot in there, as far as even working through some stuff.

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I'm not saying like inner work and stuff, but I put a lot in there when it comes to creative projects I'm working on and things like that.

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Let's see what it said Um, uh, okay, okay, okay, here's what I said.

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What advice would you give me based on what you know about me?

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Here's what it said Lean into your authenticity.

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You're passionate about helping others be themselves, and your own journey has been transformative.

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Keep modeling that courage by sharing your story and podcast and your coaching practice.

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Vulnerability resonates deeply with you.

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And then it said prioritize self-care between coaching, podcasting and traveling.

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You have a lot on your plate.

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The funny thing is it forgot about my job.

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That's what I noticed it basically, here's what I think is trying to tell you news.

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Are you ready for it?

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retirement I would love to.

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I text a friend today and said I I need to come into some money and just travel for a living, so it forgot about my job.

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But then it says make sure to carve out moments for yourself, whether it's hiking, meditating or journaling about your growth and reflections.

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And then it gave me.

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It gave me recommendations on podcast growth.

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I mean, it knows what's important to me for sure.

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And then it gave you recommendations on podcast.

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Oh yeah.

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Focus on consistency, engage, consistency, engage, fail, engage your audience, fail, fail.

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And cross promotion uh, fail.

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So uh, it gave me recommendations on travel and then visionary projects.

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I have, but okay, so back to failing.

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On the um, engaging our audience part, I need to tell you a funny ass story.

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Okay, all right.

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I mean I need to be very politically correct in this one area so let me think through this.

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Okay, do you want to like put your feet on?

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so a few months ago we we came, we brought ourselves, we brought our beautiful, fine asses to TikTok, and what that means is um, basically, we would just share clips of the podcast and a visual um on TikTok and um and you know, I was doing a pretty good job for a while there updating it and um, so anyway, I we gained some followers there and I was ready to start building that.

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Well then, the TikTok ban happens.

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I would like to remind everyone that probably by the time you hear this, the new president is the one that banned it, also the one who's saying he's unbanning it as of today, which is Sunday, january 19th, at 4.51 pm Central Standard Time.

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So apparently, those who have downloaded tiktok can actually access it again.

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But that's not the point.

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So I'm on tiktok.

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Yesterday, and all of this drama happened in the industry that we work in there was a specific video posted about an artist.

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I won't go into the details of what it was, but it was a pretty big deal.

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Well then there became, uh, people who were doing like stitches on that video, so you had a lot of people going.

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Did you see that So-and-so post this right?

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So I was watching one of those yesterday and I'm on the cat moose podcast, tiktok page and and I was like, oh wow you did.

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You did something that represented all three of us yeah sorry, that represented all three of us sorted down, so I uh, I'm watching it and I was like oh wow, like that was whoa.

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And so I thought that I hit the forward button to send to someone, and then I usually hit copy link and then I'll text it to someone, because I, you know, I'm still new in TikTok who is someone, so it doesn't matter who.

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The point is is that I didn't do that.

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What I did.

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No, I'll tell you what happened next.

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So I closed the app, I text it to the person and I did get a link somehow and I text it to the person and then I walk away from my phone, which is never a good idea, after you know.

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I just was like wow, that was shocking.

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I move on.

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I come back to my phone and I have these Tik TOK things that showing up on the front of my phone and it's like uh, one of them says there I'll say this there is a um, a trade organization for our industry, that um, we have friends who've been on the board and things like that.

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You know, you know the one.

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I won't say what it is no, yeah, they had viewed a video that I reposted.

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Oh, and that's what it said.

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It said the blank has viewed the video you reposted and, I thought, reposted.

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That is fantastic.

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No way it gets better.

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Did your butthole move up into your throat?

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Oh, I just like shit myself, and so I go in.

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I have no idea, inside TikTok, how to un-repost.

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I can't even see what I've reposted.

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I assume it was the last thing that I watched, which is not something I would like to repost, because I assume it was the last thing that I watched, which is not something I would like to repost, because it's sort of just like you know, go, hey, come over here and watch this.

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And so what did I do?

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I went TikTok is shutting down in two hours.

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I deleted our account on TikTok.

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I didn't.

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I didn't.

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I could have reinstated it in 30 days, I just would delete.

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And it said forever or for 30 days.

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And I said forever.

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I just didn't want anyone to see that we had reposted something that was not the best video, and so, oh my God, so we are no longer on TikTok, even if TikTok gets reinstated.

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What I was thinking?

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What I was thinking is I was thinking that you were going to say Kat, we've gone viral and you had no idea.

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No, but that would be easily believable too, and, to be honest, I should have just kept it up there, because it is sort of the content we would repost.

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It just wasn't what I meant to do, and so I panicked, and now we're right, I mean.

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I don't think we can get any of our videos back, so we're going to start over If Tik TOK happens, we're we're restarting and I apologize, but it's all I knew to do.

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Yeah, I, I Moose the fact that you handle the fact that I I just found out today that cat and moose has a tiktok we did, we used to, and it was great while it lasted yeah.

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So I mean, like I I am, so I, I trust you, I believe in you, I trust you with the cat and moose podcast brand on tiktok and all other social media platforms well, thank you so much, yeah, you're welcome.

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What did you bring to the podcast today, Kat?

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What would you like to?

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talk about.

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Well, I was just going to look at my notes.

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By the way, this is unedited, guys, remember Sarah producer.

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Sarah is not here.

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Well, they can't forget.

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Moose, because it sounds like shit, so they can't forget.

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It doesn't sound like shit.

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It just doesn't have music around it and it's not edited.

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So look, now you get to hear our fights go.

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Okay, I really want an L a F D hoodie.

00:19:23.750 --> 00:19:24.776
Oh, I know what that means.

00:19:24.776 --> 00:19:28.559
Los Angeles fire department we haven't even talked about the fires?

00:19:29.362 --> 00:19:30.484
No, we haven't.

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And and I I don't.

00:19:32.922 --> 00:19:35.021
I don't even know what to say about the fires.

00:19:35.021 --> 00:19:50.402
I'm a person who lives in Nashville, tennessee, where there's a dusting of snow on the ground, like I, I don't even know what the people of Los Angeles, southern California, like, like all the areas have been affected, like I have no idea what they're going through.

00:19:50.402 --> 00:19:51.705
So who am I to talk about it?

00:19:51.705 --> 00:20:02.618
And you asked what I brought and I was watching one of the playoff games today and the LA Rams all their people were wearing LA.

00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:03.981
Oh, that's amazing.

00:20:04.323 --> 00:20:13.769
And it's like the ironically the same colors as the blue angels, like a Royal blue and a bright yellow, and I was like I want one of those hoodies.

00:20:13.769 --> 00:20:15.298
And what I did?

00:20:15.298 --> 00:20:31.221
I went and did a bunch of searching and I could never find anywhere where I could buy one of those that was actually committed to doing something to help support the fire department of of anywhere Southern California.

00:20:31.402 --> 00:20:32.163
Well shit.

00:20:32.564 --> 00:20:33.686
What are you going to do about that?

00:20:33.686 --> 00:20:44.423
Well, I I don't know what I need to do about it, but it's like I don't want to wear an LAFD sweatshirt just to look like I, I'm up with the times.

00:20:45.724 --> 00:20:45.884
Like.

00:20:47.207 --> 00:20:57.407
I want to wear it because I help make a difference in that situation and it just really bugged me that that's how like capitalist we've become.

00:20:57.996 --> 00:21:02.875
There's got to be somebody who the entire donation is going to Well.

00:21:03.518 --> 00:21:04.461
I'm going to find it for you.

00:21:04.461 --> 00:21:08.095
Teach me, please find it for me, and I will buy a sweatshirt.

00:21:08.095 --> 00:21:09.377
I will thank you very much.

00:21:09.558 --> 00:21:19.881
Yes, I mean I was consumed with watching the news of the la fires, as I do with any natural disaster that happens.

00:21:19.881 --> 00:21:26.369
Um, and there are some crazy conspiracies out there.

00:21:26.369 --> 00:21:29.539
I don't know any of that.

00:21:29.539 --> 00:21:31.839
Oh my gosh, I hate them all.

00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:36.065
Just for the record, I do love a conspiracy theory, but these are tough.

00:21:36.065 --> 00:21:46.675
Mel Gibson went on the Joe Rogan podcast and you know how twitchy he is already, like you kind of which one I always feel like he's on little something, something.

00:21:46.675 --> 00:21:53.223
Joe or Mel huh, joe or Mel Gibson, mel Gibson, oh, okay.

00:21:53.263 --> 00:21:53.865
Yeah, okay.

00:21:54.066 --> 00:21:59.028
You know, sorry if he's your Jesus, but um, uh.

00:21:59.028 --> 00:22:08.487
So he goes on and basically is like, yeah, I mean I'd like to know who started these, and like was hinting that it was arson.

00:22:08.487 --> 00:22:14.957
Also was like, why wasn't there any water in the Palisades, which you know?

00:22:14.957 --> 00:22:21.028
I don't know if you heard about that, but there were some disputes of whether there was enough water when the Palisades fire was happening.

00:22:21.028 --> 00:22:24.435
Enough water for what Water?

00:22:24.435 --> 00:22:30.663
To put the fire out, Like in the sorry, sorry in the hydrants but like is, is that a requirement?

00:22:30.702 --> 00:22:31.845
like is there supposed to be?

00:22:31.845 --> 00:22:33.469
And the and the fire hydrants?

00:22:33.469 --> 00:22:38.343
Yeah, yeah, oh, okay, okay, yeah, to put the fire out.

00:22:38.343 --> 00:22:41.788
No, I understand the concept.

00:22:42.429 --> 00:22:46.068
I feel like we're on two different planets, right?

00:22:46.088 --> 00:22:54.278
now, oh man, it's probably because there's a lot of like conjunct and like sextile and like there's a lot going on in astrology right now.

00:22:54.278 --> 00:22:59.471
That is that is making shit really weird, and so that's all that.

00:22:59.471 --> 00:23:00.335
I am totally.

00:23:00.335 --> 00:23:02.881
I was just saying so basically there was a root, like in it was somewhat true.

00:23:02.901 --> 00:23:18.303
So basically there was a root like in it was somewhat true, I guess, that there wasn't enough water in the hydrants, but Mel Gibson's point was like that was on purpose to when this happened, that all these houses would be burned down.

00:23:18.303 --> 00:23:18.965
It was insane.

00:23:19.576 --> 00:23:33.907
So it's just been very odd to see all of those things come out and I look, I always assume that we don't know the whole truth, but um, I think it was a series of unfortunate events with the santa ana winds and fire.

00:23:33.907 --> 00:23:43.416
I know there was some arson involved, so I'm not saying it wasn't that, but, man, that was awful to see oh, I mean, it's just terrible.

00:23:43.517 --> 00:23:58.345
It's terrible to see people suffer and it's terrible to see people experience loss, like, and if that people is Jennifer Garner or if that people is homeless person over here, there's no difference.

00:23:58.345 --> 00:23:59.445
Like there's no difference.

00:23:59.445 --> 00:24:03.608
It's like I mean there's a huge difference, gosh.

00:24:03.608 --> 00:24:11.673
But like, I guess what I'm saying is that, like, seeing people experience loss, it feels I feel helpless.

00:24:11.673 --> 00:24:13.941
Like I feel I feel like, well, what do I?

00:24:13.941 --> 00:24:15.065
What do I do?

00:24:15.065 --> 00:24:20.905
Like, do I go to my next body work appointment with an LAFD Sure?

00:24:21.446 --> 00:24:24.886
Sweatshirt on, because that's the only place I can be myself.

00:24:24.886 --> 00:24:27.757
You know, I'll tell you something that you can do.

00:24:27.757 --> 00:24:44.506
Okay, um nb goods, who is based here in nashville, woman owned um, she made an altadena hat not that you wear a lot of hats, but it it's really cool.

00:24:44.506 --> 00:24:54.364
It looks like the LA Dodgers, la, and she flipped it and it says Altadena, which is one of the big fires that happened, and that is like the working class area.

00:24:54.364 --> 00:24:59.556
In her words, I think, she said where the black and brown people live, and so she.

00:24:59.556 --> 00:25:02.199
I know that she made a hat that you can purchase in.

00:25:02.199 --> 00:25:07.726
100 percent of those donations do go to the community.

00:25:10.789 --> 00:25:12.050
Okay, out did you in a hat.

00:25:12.050 --> 00:25:18.803
I just texted that to myself, and it's the company is NB goods in B as in boy.

00:25:18.803 --> 00:25:22.630
Excellent Thanks.

00:25:24.436 --> 00:25:27.180
It's not an LPD, LAPD, FD.

00:25:27.180 --> 00:25:27.923
You know what I'm saying.

00:25:29.428 --> 00:25:30.330
No, it's not a lpd, lapd, fd.

00:25:30.330 --> 00:25:30.833
You know what I'm saying?

00:25:30.833 --> 00:25:31.074
No, it's not.

00:25:31.074 --> 00:25:38.018
And and and I guess that's what I'm saying is like I'm attracted to the idea by the marketing yay, marketing people, you did a really good thing.

00:25:38.018 --> 00:25:46.275
But like, if you can't, if you can't convince me that it's gonna do some good, like I'm not gonna buy into that shit, you know, and so some good, like I'm not going to buy into that shit, you know.

00:25:46.275 --> 00:25:50.462
And so this thing, like I'll totally, totally rock that.

00:25:50.535 --> 00:26:05.721
Speaking of chat GPT, I also read somewhere that or somebody posted this that it's like 100 million times worse for the globe than just Googling something, so we do have to be aware of that.

00:26:06.835 --> 00:26:08.121
Wait, wait what.

00:26:08.121 --> 00:26:12.191
It's 100 times worse for the globe.

00:26:12.191 --> 00:26:13.154
Now I'm just floating out of my ass.

00:26:13.154 --> 00:26:14.981
Did you hear what you just said?

00:26:15.061 --> 00:26:19.203
Yeah, Chat GPT versus Googling.

00:26:19.203 --> 00:26:31.838
Okay, let's see For the earth.

00:26:31.838 --> 00:26:32.800
That's what I'm looking for for the earth, okay.

00:26:32.800 --> 00:26:48.951
Uh, google search is significantly better for the earth and the environmental impact as it uses considerably less energy per query meaning a small carbon footprint compared to chat GPT, which requires a much higher energy consumption to generate responses.

00:26:48.951 --> 00:26:57.657
Essentially, each chat GPT query can be considered more environmentally taxing than a Google search.

00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:08.122
I mean yeah, I mean good, no, no no, I mean, is this the podcast?

00:27:08.122 --> 00:27:14.722
It is what do you?

00:27:15.042 --> 00:27:18.127
oh god, um well, I was gonna talk about fear.

00:27:18.127 --> 00:27:19.690
Do you want to talk about that?

00:27:20.877 --> 00:27:22.923
wait, talk about what you just said.

00:27:22.923 --> 00:27:27.295
What about chat, gbt and the energy it takes?

00:27:27.295 --> 00:27:28.400
Oh, you want to talk about that?

00:27:28.974 --> 00:27:30.859
Oh, I thought you asked what's next on my list.

00:27:30.859 --> 00:27:32.423
What do you mean?

00:27:32.423 --> 00:27:33.365
I know.

00:27:33.365 --> 00:27:36.020
Why Are you yelling at me for using it?

00:27:38.096 --> 00:27:39.501
I'm not at all.

00:27:39.555 --> 00:27:40.135
What are you saying?

00:27:40.517 --> 00:27:52.075
I felt like you wanted to have a conversation about how Google searching and chat GBT searching expends different energy levels.

00:27:52.075 --> 00:27:53.340
No, I just wanted to share it.

00:27:53.454 --> 00:27:55.122
I didn't want to have any more conversation.

00:27:55.122 --> 00:28:05.528
Okay, you know why it's like I recycle, but I'm pretty sure it still ends up in the landfill Like I don't.

00:28:05.528 --> 00:28:08.143
Right, right, I'm not ready to give up chat GPT?

00:28:08.143 --> 00:28:09.561
That's why I don't want to talk about it.

00:28:09.622 --> 00:28:10.445
It's a very selfish reason.

00:28:10.445 --> 00:28:11.049
Yeah, you're not.

00:28:11.049 --> 00:28:16.240
Yeah, you are my people and I'm so glad, so what is the next thing?

00:28:16.536 --> 00:28:17.338
Oh, I want to talk about fear.

00:28:17.338 --> 00:28:18.282
Sorry for my interruption.

00:28:19.015 --> 00:28:20.300
That's what we have an editor for.

00:28:30.095 --> 00:28:30.415
Yeah, we don't.

00:28:30.415 --> 00:28:31.159
Today we don't, okay, fear.

00:28:31.159 --> 00:28:46.586
So a friend of ours sent me this post the hardest prison we live in is the one oh, sorry, the hardest prison to live in is the one I built to feel safe the hardest prison we to.

00:28:46.586 --> 00:28:54.846
Oh God, oh my God, I didn't even read it, right, that's so I know where to edit.

00:28:54.846 --> 00:28:55.893
Oh wait, I'm not editing.

00:28:55.893 --> 00:29:02.188
Okay, the hardest prison to leave is the one I built to feel safe.

00:29:04.376 --> 00:29:14.857
Oh gosh, yeah, I mean okay why what prison did you build'm tell me I, I, I don't know here's how I'm gonna answer that.

00:29:14.857 --> 00:29:35.838
I was sitting at the table that's in my like kind of like breakfast nook in my house, like I don't really I've got a dining room but I hardly ever eat in the dining room like I normally eat in this little kind of nook, and I was sitting there you just like to say nook, nook.

00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:46.079
I like to say nook, and I was sitting there today and I I invited the person I was there with to play cards, uh-huh.

00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.385
And so I said, would you?

00:29:48.405 --> 00:29:49.067
like to play cards?

00:29:49.067 --> 00:29:50.358
You said person.

00:29:50.660 --> 00:29:51.844
Would you like to play cards?

00:29:51.844 --> 00:29:53.561
Person, would you like to play cards?

00:29:53.561 --> 00:29:58.445
And AI said back to me yes, I would like to play your favorite family game of cards.

00:29:58.445 --> 00:29:58.968
Called Me.

00:29:58.968 --> 00:30:01.603
That consists of seven hands of contract Rummy.

00:30:01.603 --> 00:30:04.311
That is really a derivative of Michigan Rummy.

00:30:04.412 --> 00:30:05.275
Yeah, that's what happened.

00:30:05.275 --> 00:30:08.277
Is this where we tell people that you live with an ai robot?

00:30:09.239 --> 00:30:12.265
yes, yes, now you guys know, I know it's weird.

00:30:12.265 --> 00:30:15.578
It's not weird, though is it okay no, it's, it's fine, it's.

00:30:15.578 --> 00:30:19.214
I also have a driverless car because I can't see well enough to drive anymore.

00:30:19.214 --> 00:30:21.219
So it's perfect, it's perfect.

00:30:22.161 --> 00:30:27.461
Um, I really kind of thought of that I was gonna ask you about that yeah, because you hate driving at night.

00:30:27.461 --> 00:30:29.603
Why would you not get a driverless car?

00:30:30.734 --> 00:30:33.002
Like I want a driverless car, so bad.

00:30:33.042 --> 00:30:36.144
Do it Trade in that Audi for a little Tessie?

00:30:36.144 --> 00:30:38.194
Oh, I do love my Audi.

00:30:38.275 --> 00:30:41.318
It's a beautiful car, I love my car.

00:30:41.318 --> 00:30:45.077
Anyway, oh my gosh Getting off track here.

00:30:45.077 --> 00:30:45.878
Can you help me Anyway?

00:30:45.898 --> 00:30:46.661
oh my gosh getting off track here.

00:30:46.661 --> 00:30:47.000
Can you help me?

00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:47.281
Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:30:47.281 --> 00:30:50.729
Yeah, you were at the nook and we were talking about fear and the prison.

00:30:50.729 --> 00:30:54.169
Yes, the prison we build to feel safe.

00:30:54.255 --> 00:30:56.001
We build to feel safe.

00:30:56.001 --> 00:30:57.180
Thank you so much.

00:30:57.695 --> 00:30:59.903
You're such a good friend I know I'm amazing.

00:31:00.905 --> 00:31:19.035
Yeah, so, um, basically, like I scraped all of like the crumbs on the table to the edge of the table, but I restrained myself from just wiping them off the table onto the floor that's amazing.

00:31:20.637 --> 00:31:23.963
And so I said I just noticed something about myself.

00:31:23.963 --> 00:31:26.047
And they, they said, well, what is that?

00:31:26.047 --> 00:31:35.445
And I said in my childhood I would have just scraped that off the table because I knew my mom was going to pick it up.

00:31:35.445 --> 00:31:45.480
I just knew like I don't have to even these crumbs, I get to just like wipe them off the table Cause mom's going to pick them up and like how asshole is that?

00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:48.644
I, I did that stuff too.

00:31:48.804 --> 00:31:52.060
Yeah, that, but that that was my experience.

00:31:52.060 --> 00:31:53.304
There's no.

00:31:53.304 --> 00:31:58.762
I mean, I know there's tons of judgment from everybody listening, and for me there's no judgment.

00:31:58.762 --> 00:31:59.324
That's just.

00:31:59.324 --> 00:32:00.948
That's just how I grew up.

00:32:00.948 --> 00:32:10.189
And so they said to me and so what made you restrain from pushing them off to the floor?

00:32:10.189 --> 00:32:19.049
And I was like, well, because like I've grown older, like I know that there's not somebody to just like hang around and wait on me.

00:32:21.335 --> 00:32:38.130
And that felt like, oh, like I've progressed, like as a person, like, yay, like I'm, I'm emotionally maturing, and also like recognizing that, like that is changing in my life.

00:32:38.130 --> 00:32:41.880
Yeah, I am, I am becoming an adult.

00:32:41.880 --> 00:32:46.487
Yes, yes, it's like, it's like I'm becoming an adult.

00:32:46.487 --> 00:32:51.378
I'm becoming the person that has to deal with the spilled crumbs on the floor.

00:32:51.779 --> 00:32:57.249
Yeah, and like that's scary, as, oh yeah, the buck stops here.

00:32:57.249 --> 00:33:00.781
I say that all the time, god dang it.

00:33:00.801 --> 00:33:01.824
That's scary.

00:33:01.824 --> 00:33:03.748
So to your point of fear.

00:33:03.748 --> 00:33:04.368
That's where.

00:33:04.368 --> 00:33:05.115
That's where I went.

00:33:05.134 --> 00:33:08.344
No, I like that, um, so what would your prison be?

00:33:08.344 --> 00:33:09.026
I want to know.

00:33:09.026 --> 00:33:13.105
Oh, maybe that you're not responsible until you are.

00:33:14.634 --> 00:33:16.820
Well, my prison would be that I am responsible.

00:33:16.820 --> 00:33:21.063
Right, exactly, yeah yeah, and say the quote again, if you will.

00:33:21.063 --> 00:33:22.513
Let's see if I can get it right.

00:33:22.935 --> 00:33:30.894
The hardest prison to leave is the one I built to feel safe yeah, so it's like I'm.

00:33:31.034 --> 00:33:40.366
I'm here in that place where my mom always picks up my crumbs yeah I've built that place to feel safe I think you've picked up your crumbs for a while, for what it's worth.

00:33:40.366 --> 00:33:44.017
I I just don't think we notice it as much as other people do.

00:33:44.017 --> 00:34:21.936
But I will say this I feel like the one thing that all of us need to hear is like I don't think we ever grow up, like I remember being a kid and like looking at people our age and being like, oh wow, they must know how to do things at that age and there there's no way like, yes, you learn how to navigate, but I don't think any of us really are like maybe like by your sixties, you know like I see Oprah now and she feels like she's got her shit together, but she's also rich, yeah, yeah, it's like.

00:34:22.697 --> 00:34:26.927
But I think we always struggle with the same things until we don't anymore.

00:34:26.947 --> 00:34:29.112
Yeah, yeah yeah.

00:34:29.112 --> 00:34:30.574
That's hard shit.

00:34:30.574 --> 00:34:56.340
And like I was kind of thinking today about how, like, if I believe at all in this like reincarnation thing, or like I am one of many iterations of what the spirit of me is you know, know, like maybe I was the yellow emperor and maybe I am an alien in the future, because, like it's all, the same, like I was thinking about all that today and then I just lost my train of thought.

00:34:56.340 --> 00:34:58.324
So that's a great podcast thank you.

00:34:58.465 --> 00:35:00.317
Thank you for for joining us today.

00:35:00.777 --> 00:35:07.487
Yes, thank you this is the cat and moose podcast and uh, okay, so here's what I wanted to say about fear.

00:35:08.307 --> 00:36:01.824
Um, I had someone very important to me say that they didn't want me to live in fear anymore and it like you know how you just have like a little earthquake inside of yourself sometime and you're like the perfect thing is said at the perfect time and I felt very much like that was what had happened, and I have been working with chat gpt, my other therapist, on how to identify fear and what to do with it and all of those things and, um, what, what I'm learning is obviously the two different sides of the brain and how you know, the left side basically is the one that's always freaking out on us.

00:36:01.824 --> 00:36:32.010
But I'm learning sort of the kindness of my new practice is, if something comes up and I feel this immediate anxiety or fear, their hand and I go, at 11, you are not capable to do this, and so that's why that feels panicked.

00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:43.244
But remember, we're not 11 anymore, we're 46 years old and we have a few more tools, but sometimes that person that raised their hand is 46 years old.

00:36:44.666 --> 00:36:53.538
Oh, wow Like she is me, and part of the fear has to do with perception.

00:36:53.538 --> 00:36:56.780
Like, not just perception, but also like livelihood.

00:36:56.780 --> 00:37:02.106
I would say so to answer this question.

00:37:02.106 --> 00:37:04.568
I build for myself to feel safe.

00:37:04.568 --> 00:37:19.922
I think I, the prison I built is the idea that everything is going to fall apart, Like that comes up in my therapy all the time.

00:37:19.922 --> 00:37:26.653
Like, like so I just I don't take and look, I can be a risky person.

00:37:26.653 --> 00:37:29.106
So like I definitely can't.

00:37:29.126 --> 00:37:29.710
You're an eight.

00:37:29.710 --> 00:37:32.139
You're an eight, you're like fire ready.

00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:49.481
But I do think that fear has kept me from putting myself out there in the world in a way where I am sharing my own vulnerability, like I know I do it on this podcast, but like I would love to put the things I write out into the world.

00:37:49.481 --> 00:37:55.478
I would love to put the things I feel the things I love out into the world and I have built this.

00:37:55.478 --> 00:38:00.628
Like fucking bunker is what it is, like archie bunker.

00:38:00.628 --> 00:38:03.701
You know what I'm saying.

00:38:03.721 --> 00:38:27.925
Like I, I like, have built this little underground place that nobody's allowed to visit and God forbid that you do, because I have, you know, landmines set up around it, right, right, because I don't want, I don't want to, I don't want to be too much or too forward or too fill in the blank.

00:38:28.226 --> 00:38:29.248
Yeah, yeah.

00:38:29.614 --> 00:38:31.963
Too liberal, which I am.

00:38:31.963 --> 00:38:33.619
I'm so liberal and I love it.

00:38:34.822 --> 00:38:35.945
Yeah, oh, I love it too.

00:38:35.945 --> 00:38:38.804
It's one of the many millions of things I love about you.

00:38:38.804 --> 00:38:46.206
And I'm curious, like you were saying the word bunker and I kept thinking of the kicker of the.

00:38:46.206 --> 00:38:47.507
I think it's the.

00:38:47.507 --> 00:38:49.451
Is it the Kansas City Chiefs Butker?

00:38:49.451 --> 00:38:51.922
Oh, no, I don't know him.

00:38:51.922 --> 00:38:53.836
We he's.

00:38:53.978 --> 00:39:01.960
He used to be our kicker the Titans kicker I should know that when we sucked, even a little bit less than we do now, yeah, he was.

00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:18.242
He was our kicker and he was the guy who basically said something along the lines of like women oh yeah, I remember that, because I remember that yeah and like, as you kept saying bunker, I kept just thinking butker kicker no, but like an underground situation.

00:39:18.242 --> 00:39:22.456
Yeah, yeah yeah, that's where that's kind of your safe place.

00:39:22.456 --> 00:39:24.001
Yeah, like that's where you don't want to.

00:39:24.262 --> 00:39:27.117
You don't want to come out I don't because there's people like butker doing shit like what he's doing, like why's where?

00:39:27.117 --> 00:39:27.230
You don't want to, you don't want to come out.

00:39:27.230 --> 00:39:30.724
I don't because there's people like butker doing shit like what exactly like why?

00:39:30.724 --> 00:39:35.197
Why do you want to expose yourself to that kind of?

00:39:35.197 --> 00:39:35.418
I mean?

00:39:35.677 --> 00:39:52.014
I legitimately have friends who have a plan of what to do if shit goes bad with Trump, Like this is the opposite of what I feel like we had when Biden took office.

00:39:52.014 --> 00:40:09.550
You have people that are like prepping to keep food, Cause they thought Biden was going to I don't know what he's going to do Give them too much money or something, but it's like I literally have friends that are scared scared for what is you, you like, like, can we really sit with this for a minute?

00:40:09.992 --> 00:40:24.010
Yeah, I don't want to share too many details, but I had a conversation this week with some friends who actually live in a blue state, who are legitimately afraid of what could happen.

00:40:24.010 --> 00:40:26.583
And I'm not saying my bunker is about that.

00:40:26.583 --> 00:40:29.617
My bunker is really about not trusting.

00:40:29.617 --> 00:40:34.286
I mean it has something to do with the pandemic and politics.

00:40:34.286 --> 00:40:35.028
I will say that.

00:40:35.028 --> 00:40:39.005
But like totally, I'm not necessarily going to that, saying I really have a bunker.

00:40:39.025 --> 00:40:45.454
I want to say that I don't have a bunker, but I have friends who are scared and so I can relate to that to some degree.

00:40:45.675 --> 00:40:52.106
But like they have plans for and that's, I guess, that's what I want to talk about is like what kind of plans?

00:40:52.106 --> 00:40:55.436
Because I am, I am um.

00:40:55.436 --> 00:41:02.041
What is it called um when you're ignorant and oblivious?

00:41:05.865 --> 00:41:05.945
I?

00:41:05.945 --> 00:41:07.606
I I don't know what they're.

00:41:07.606 --> 00:41:08.668
What they're I?

00:41:08.668 --> 00:41:14.219
I know that they have a a safe place to go to and like, but what is?

00:41:14.300 --> 00:41:15.442
I don't know, I don't know.

00:41:15.442 --> 00:41:16.925
How do you know what that means?

00:41:16.945 --> 00:41:17.896
place that they trust.

00:41:17.896 --> 00:41:24.840
I don't know what their fear is, even specifically, but I do know that there is fear and that's frightening to me.

00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:39.898
Anyway, all that to say, I want to operate this year, in 2025, with less fear, and I don't know how the frick I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna really, really attempt to do this okay, can I?

00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:41.800
can I ask a question?

00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:53.862
So you said you want to operate in 2025 with less fear is there a way that you can reframe that that says I want to operate in 2025 with more?

00:41:54.764 --> 00:41:55.806
um, okay, that's great.

00:41:55.806 --> 00:41:56.567
I love that.

00:41:56.567 --> 00:42:00.938
Um, I just learned that's called a replacement.

00:42:00.938 --> 00:42:03.242
Thought oh, okay.

00:42:03.242 --> 00:42:11.931
Um, I want to live in 2025 with more.

00:42:11.931 --> 00:42:15.204
Is bravery the right word?

00:42:15.204 --> 00:42:18.300
What's something like bravery?

00:42:20.164 --> 00:42:20.425
With more.

00:42:20.425 --> 00:42:33.835
Okay, ask just for one second, Like see if anywhere in your body has the word I want to operate in 2025 with more.

00:42:34.686 --> 00:42:39.710
It's a Jewish word, it's like, or something like that.

00:42:39.710 --> 00:42:39.891
What?

00:42:39.952 --> 00:42:40.454
is that word?

00:42:41.746 --> 00:42:50.798
Is that a Jewish word Like this is terrible, like everyone.

00:42:50.798 --> 00:42:52.471
I am so sorry.

00:42:52.471 --> 00:42:54.398
I am so sorry.

00:42:54.398 --> 00:43:06.431
What word is a Jewish phrase that means balls?

00:43:06.431 --> 00:43:07.371
Oh, what is it?

00:43:07.371 --> 00:43:08.713
See it's chutzpah.

00:43:10.275 --> 00:43:13.900
That's what I thought it's spelled C-H-U-T-Z-P-A-H.

00:43:16.005 --> 00:43:23.054
Oh wait, and then underneath here it says what is booby and Jewish slang Booby, it's a term.

00:43:23.173 --> 00:43:24.556
Yeah, no, yeah, that.

00:43:24.556 --> 00:43:29.088
See, that's where AI like I think they're just like going like what does this look like?

00:43:29.088 --> 00:43:29.969
And we did this.

00:43:30.050 --> 00:43:31.554
It's like that's not.

00:43:31.554 --> 00:43:32.456
How do you say that?

00:43:35.925 --> 00:43:36.346
I that's not.

00:43:36.346 --> 00:43:37.067
How do you?

00:43:37.106 --> 00:43:37.768
say that.

00:43:37.768 --> 00:43:40.432
I've never known how to say that, I've always said it.

00:43:40.432 --> 00:43:51.769
Yeah, it's like a kh sound, so I that's the word that came up like the audacity I want to have all that's the word audacity yes yes, that feels right to me.

00:43:52.811 --> 00:44:09.483
Yes, good, good, and so I think that that I feel like that is potentially a better reframe of your desire.

00:44:09.483 --> 00:44:13.289
I like more chutzpah, yeah more chutzpah, chutzpah.

00:44:13.289 --> 00:44:14.054
Yeah, more chutzpah.

00:44:14.784 --> 00:44:21.146
Look, I need someone who's Jewish to call into the podcast and just send me a voice memo of how to say this correctly.

00:44:21.166 --> 00:44:22.251
You don't even have to be Jewish.

00:44:22.666 --> 00:44:25.315
You just have to have more of chutzpah than I do.

00:44:25.315 --> 00:44:28.650
It's not Jewish by the way it's Yiddish.

00:44:28.650 --> 00:44:31.487
Yiddish is the right way to say that.

00:44:31.527 --> 00:44:35.605
Yeah and I want to just offer all respect to all traditions.

00:44:35.605 --> 00:44:50.784
So the things that we get wrong on the podcast, the things that we do really well on the podcast, we hope, kind of outweigh the things we get wrong, and and so we absolutely love and welcome all of you.

00:44:50.784 --> 00:45:02.074
Like all of you who are here, like you are welcomed, like we, anything that might feel a little bit triggering or whatever, it is just ignorance.

00:45:02.233 --> 00:45:07.827
It's just ignorance, it's not wow, that was a 30 second disclaimer, but I do agree with you.

00:45:07.827 --> 00:45:10.610
It is our hearts and I did just listen.

00:45:10.610 --> 00:45:11.931
Listen to this can you hear it?

00:45:11.931 --> 00:45:18.898
Cat hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:45:18.898 --> 00:45:22.121
Girl hold on, um, okay, is this it?

00:45:22.121 --> 00:45:28.972
Could you hear it?

00:45:30.293 --> 00:45:37.728
no, well, my goodness, I feel like I want a tattoo that says that I might need that too.

00:45:37.829 --> 00:45:38.632
We should get it.

00:45:39.427 --> 00:45:41.414
Can you show it to me one more time so I can write?

00:45:41.454 --> 00:45:41.695
it down.

00:45:43.525 --> 00:45:48.190
C-H-U-T-Z-pah.

00:45:50.393 --> 00:45:54.918
Okay, chutzpah, listen Anyway.

00:45:54.918 --> 00:45:57.251
Oh no, it's hutzpa h-u-t-s.

00:45:57.251 --> 00:45:59.126
Okay, we spent a lot of time on that.

00:45:59.126 --> 00:46:00.552
Here's what I want to tell you.

00:46:00.552 --> 00:46:04.231
Is the uh, the wikipedia about hutzpa?

00:46:04.231 --> 00:46:08.724
Um, it is the quality of audacity.

00:46:08.724 --> 00:46:12.492
Oh, that's beautiful, for good or for bad.

00:46:12.492 --> 00:46:26.480
A close english equivalent is sometimes the hubris, the word hubris, the word derives from the Hebrew something, chespa, meaning insolence, cheek or audacity.

00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:43.623
Thus the original Yiddish word has a strong negative connotation, but the form which entered English as a Yiddish ism and American English has taken on a broader meaning, having been popularized through the vernacular used in film, literature and television.

00:46:43.623 --> 00:46:44.764
And American English.

00:46:44.764 --> 00:46:56.960
The word is sometimes interpreted, particularly in business parlance parlance, I don't know as meaning the amount of courage, metal or ardor that an individual has.

00:46:56.960 --> 00:47:00.311
Well, there you have it.

00:47:01.606 --> 00:47:03.458
Yeah, I didn't understand that last sentence, me either.

00:47:04.666 --> 00:47:07.795
I would edit it, but Lord knows, we don't have a producer today.

00:47:09.706 --> 00:47:10.269
We don't.

00:47:10.269 --> 00:47:15.059
I love you, moose, and I really am excited about your forthcoming chutzpah.

00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:16.003
I am too Thanks for helping me Hootspa.

00:47:16.023 --> 00:47:18.733
I am too Thanks for helping me reframe that.

00:47:18.733 --> 00:47:20.070
I have one more thing I need to tell you.

00:47:20.070 --> 00:47:25.094
I did what's called Lens Neurofeedback last week.

00:47:26.657 --> 00:47:27.137
Oh what.

00:47:27.498 --> 00:47:27.778
Yeah.

00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:30.625
How, why, who Tell me everything?

00:47:30.644 --> 00:47:39.512
So my therapist recommended it, and you know where my therapist is right, it's in that same sort of area.

00:47:39.512 --> 00:47:52.240
Okay, Anyway, Lens Neurofeedback it's supposed to help with anxiety, ADHD, PTSD, depression, all kinds of things like that.

00:47:52.240 --> 00:47:53.934
So I didn't really know what to expect.

00:47:53.934 --> 00:48:11.831
But I went in there and had to expect, Um, but I went in there and had to do all this paperwork first, and then she like really went through the paperwork and and, uh, anyway, I laugh and I'll tell you later why but um, it was basically five seconds of these little pads on the back of my neck.

00:48:11.831 --> 00:48:16.610
She didn't even put them on my head Cause she thought I was too sensitive to have them on my head.

00:48:16.610 --> 00:48:19.817
Um, which I totally agree with.

00:48:19.817 --> 00:48:21.119
I mean, I'm so sensitive.

00:48:21.224 --> 00:48:22.672
Yeah, of course, cause you're special.

00:48:22.764 --> 00:48:26.110
Anyway, this is how I described it to her.

00:48:26.110 --> 00:48:32.414
So it was five seconds of this electronic wave thing and a little chart comes up.

00:48:32.414 --> 00:48:33.277
I don't see any of that.

00:48:33.277 --> 00:48:38.490
And then she waits two to three minutes after she puts it through, and only did it once for the first time.

00:48:39.365 --> 00:48:40.650
And you're feeling nothing for that.

00:48:40.650 --> 00:48:41.413
No, no, no, no.

00:48:41.865 --> 00:48:45.146
I didn't feel anything for the five seconds that she actually put that through.

00:48:45.146 --> 00:48:46.972
The two or three minutes is nothing.

00:48:46.972 --> 00:48:49.588
You're just there to take it in.

00:48:49.789 --> 00:48:50.088
Okay.

00:48:50.809 --> 00:48:53.152
Okay, and it felt like I had smoked a joint.

00:48:53.152 --> 00:48:55.416
Really.

00:48:55.416 --> 00:49:08.501
No, I don't mean like euphoric or anything like like, I don't mean like I was like out of my mind or anything like that, but it was like my body felt like it was buzzing in a positive way.

00:49:08.501 --> 00:49:10.485
Huh, cool, yeah.

00:49:10.485 --> 00:49:14.684
And so, you know, some people don't feel anything.

00:49:14.684 --> 00:49:16.206
She said for five to 10 sessions, but she was like you know, some people don't feel anything.

00:49:16.206 --> 00:49:20.565
She said for five to 10 sessions, uh, but she was like you know, some do, or whatever.

00:49:20.565 --> 00:49:22.413
So I told her that and she started laughing.

00:49:22.413 --> 00:49:25.173
She's like you're not the first person to compare it to that.

00:49:25.173 --> 00:49:27.791
And um, I was like can I drive?

00:49:27.791 --> 00:49:32.168
You know I'm just kidding, but um, I'm going back, but were you, I mean.

00:49:32.268 --> 00:49:33.673
I would have been worried again.

00:49:33.673 --> 00:49:45.030
I'm going back, but were you, I mean, I would have been worried again, and I'm really excited because I I have hope that it could.

00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:53.739
The point of it, I suppose, is to sort of rewire your brain in some ways and to help you get out of those ditches that we get into of like rumination and things like that.

00:49:53.739 --> 00:49:57.166
So I'm pumped.

00:49:57.166 --> 00:50:00.132
I know we like to share new modalities that we're doing, so yeah.

00:50:00.393 --> 00:50:01.456
Yeah, it's very cool.

00:50:01.456 --> 00:50:32.351
So I feel like one of the things that I heard about ketamine when it kind of came on the scene a few years ago was that it was a huge helper of breaking addictions, because you kind of got into this like for lack of a more educated way to say it kind of like a psilocybin type state, like you kind of got in this state of just like spirit is awesome and God is amazing and blah, blah, blah, and for some reason that helps you kind of move out of addiction.

00:50:32.351 --> 00:50:34.456
Is that your understanding?

00:50:34.596 --> 00:50:40.048
yeah, I've heard that for sure, yeah yeah, yeah, and so is this similar like, is it?

00:50:40.048 --> 00:50:44.478
Or because it feels a little bit like emdr, like kind of resetting?

00:50:44.518 --> 00:50:53.655
yeah, I mean I do think it is similar in the way that it is is trying to reprogram something in your brain.

00:50:53.655 --> 00:51:05.277
I know that there are like crazy studies out there, peer reviewed stuff, saying that this neurofeedback works, especially for PTSD people.

00:51:05.277 --> 00:51:15.309
In fact she said that the VA medical hospital actually covers it insurance wise for veterans because it has worked so well.

00:51:15.309 --> 00:51:21.599
So I would say it's in the same vein of, you know, trying to find more natural ways of healing.

00:51:21.599 --> 00:51:25.387
Um yeah, and if I could do ketamine every week, I would.

00:51:25.387 --> 00:51:29.938
I just it's like expensive as as it's really expensive so.

00:51:30.746 --> 00:51:39.797
I'd probably do that two or three times a year, but it does feel like it brings me back to a level playing field.

00:51:39.797 --> 00:51:40.798
Ketamine does.

00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:41.940
Cool, so we'll see.

00:51:42.445 --> 00:51:55.161
I don't know how expensive this might get, but I'm hoping that I could at least get to a place where I feel a little bit above all of the stuff.

00:51:55.240 --> 00:52:09.929
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm hoping the same thing for you, I'm hoping the same thing for you and, and like I've been doing this regenerative medicine for my foot and I feel similarly, I'm like you know, like I want it to work, I'm paying a lot of money for it.

00:52:09.929 --> 00:52:18.293
I'm I'm willing to pay for it if it actually does a thing, and I also don't want to be like, have the wool pulled over my eyes.

00:52:18.293 --> 00:52:21.905
So it's like, it's like you know, if it helps, great.

00:52:22.144 --> 00:52:29.126
If it doesn't, like, please just leave me alone you know, Well, that was a great way to end the podcast, Do you?

00:52:29.266 --> 00:52:29.626
do you?

00:52:29.646 --> 00:52:30.148
have any?

00:52:30.148 --> 00:52:32.331
Um, do you have a price?

00:52:32.331 --> 00:52:32.932
Is right?

00:52:32.932 --> 00:52:37.260
Uh Right, spay and neuter for the audience today, kat.

00:52:38.786 --> 00:52:41.431
I think today mine would be.

00:52:41.431 --> 00:52:44.197
This is the Year of the Snake.

00:52:44.197 --> 00:52:46.311
Shed your own skin.

00:52:46.684 --> 00:52:49.478
Oh, I like that, that really fits with the fear.

00:52:49.498 --> 00:52:50.045
Can I say it one more time?

00:52:50.465 --> 00:52:52.449
If the skin is the fear too, yeah, can I say it one more time?

00:52:52.510 --> 00:52:53.331
This is the Year of the Snake.

00:52:53.331 --> 00:52:53.773
Shed your old skin.

00:52:53.773 --> 00:52:54.092
The fear too.

00:52:54.092 --> 00:52:55.856
Yeah, can I say it one more time?

00:52:55.856 --> 00:52:57.481
This is the year of the snake.

00:52:57.481 --> 00:52:59.445
Shed your old skin.

00:52:59.445 --> 00:53:00.867
That's good.

00:53:00.867 --> 00:53:02.634
How about you, moose?

00:53:07.373 --> 00:53:07.914
I like that.

00:53:07.914 --> 00:53:10.905
You did that like we were going to edit it, so you got to hear that twice, guys.

00:53:11.846 --> 00:53:12.539
I hope it really resonated.

00:53:12.539 --> 00:53:12.864
I'm so pampered.

00:53:12.864 --> 00:53:15.054
I'm so pampered by producer Sarah.

00:53:15.186 --> 00:53:16.295
Mine is going to be.

00:53:16.295 --> 00:53:22.516
Don't forget to pack your chutzpah.

00:53:22.516 --> 00:53:28.797
Yeah, does that mean I have to get like something that hangs off the back of my truck?

00:53:29.867 --> 00:53:32.672
no, no, no no, you I mean you can.

00:53:32.672 --> 00:53:39.369
If that brings you into your fullest self, like, like, if that's something that's a part of your process, let's do it.

00:53:39.389 --> 00:53:42.759
Do you, women, do you like the idea of having?

00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.735
a set of breasts hanging off the back of your truck.

00:53:46.735 --> 00:53:47.699
No, no, no.

00:53:47.699 --> 00:53:50.487
You thought I was going somewhere else, didn't you I?

00:53:50.487 --> 00:53:51.769
I did, I'd be any.

00:53:51.769 --> 00:53:54.534
Any of these places you're going are uncomfortable.

00:53:54.715 --> 00:53:55.697
No, the answer is no.

00:53:55.697 --> 00:53:56.938
All right, guys, we love you.

00:53:56.938 --> 00:53:58.088
Have a great week.

00:54:06.505 --> 00:54:08.532
Special thanks to our producer Sarah Reed.

00:54:09.032 --> 00:54:12.027
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