Love, Loss, and Juror Tales
Love, Loss, and Juror Tales
Imagine being a juror on a high-profile murder trial, immersed in the legal drama while carrying the weight of justice on your shoulders. W…
Choose your favorite podcast player
Jan. 31, 2025

Love, Loss, and Juror Tales

Love, Loss, and Juror Tales

Imagine being a juror on a high-profile murder trial, immersed in the legal drama while carrying the weight of justice on your shoulders. We welcome Producer Sara back after recently serving on a murder trial in Chattanooga, Tennessee. She shares her compelling experience and about her new podcast, "SEQUESTERED," which offers a gripping, firsthand look at the trial and the profound impact it had on her. With Moose's help, Sara sheds light on the trial, and invites you to explore the intense world of courtroom deliberations through a juror's eyes.

As we mark five years of podcasting, we reflect on life's unpredictable journey, sharing poignant tales of love, loss, and resilience. Kat opens her heart about personal losses, recounting stories of her Uncle T and Uncle Don, which remind us all of the inevitability of mortality and the profound connections that bind us to family. These reflections underscore the enduring comfort family provides during times of grief and the unique ways each of us navigates the path of healing from loss.

We also explore the emotional landscapes we traverse when anniversaries of loss come around, acknowledging how our bodies often harbor memories that surprise us. Through amusing anecdotes of mistaken celebrity identities and serendipitous encounters—like mistaking a fellow traveler for Brené Brown or meeting Louis Armstrong's daughter—we're reminded of the unpredictable nature of human connections. And, amidst these heartfelt discussions, we dive into lighter debates, such as the whimsical act of knitting gifts for strangers' babies during flights, bringing a touch of humor to our heartfelt conversation.

Support the show

Follow us on Instagram and Facebook! Support the show!

Chapters

00:04 - Sequestered

10:57 - Mortality and Family Reflections

20:30 - Healing and Remembering Pain Together

25:42 - Unveiling Truth

Transcript
WEBVTT

00:00:04.347 --> 00:00:05.950
Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.

00:00:05.950 --> 00:00:07.394
I'm Cat and I'm Moose.

00:00:09.176 --> 00:00:12.788
This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.

00:00:12.788 --> 00:00:22.754
Hey Cat, hey Moose, hey Sarah, Hi, hey girl, Hi girl, oh hey.

00:00:24.446 --> 00:00:25.370
Welcome back.

00:00:25.370 --> 00:00:28.300
I like your name today Producer Sarah, juror number 11.

00:00:28.300 --> 00:00:29.181
Thank you.

00:00:29.181 --> 00:00:32.628
Do you want to tell the world about your podcast?

00:00:32.988 --> 00:00:47.740
Yes, yeah, last time I was on this screen in front of me of people and your speakers, I was just about to walk into jury duty and I had no idea what was going to come out of that.

00:00:47.740 --> 00:01:03.372
But in a matter of two days, I was selected to be sequestered on a jury in Chattanooga, tennessee, and I served as one of 16 jurors on a murder trial, and it was wild.

00:01:03.372 --> 00:01:09.144
And so I jurors on a murder trial, and it was wild.

00:01:09.144 --> 00:01:11.108
And so I, of course, came home and dove into telling that story.

00:01:11.108 --> 00:01:11.510
Nice, so, yeah.

00:01:11.510 --> 00:01:33.397
So I am working hard, hard on trying to turn the podcast quickly, just so that it's, you know, relevant and timely to the trial and also still just being fresh on my mind, anyway, so Moose has been a huge, huge part of that, because she's basically researching every little bit and detail and clip and writing it with me.

00:01:33.397 --> 00:01:36.566
And, yeah, so can I show you the trailer?

00:01:36.566 --> 00:01:39.012
Yes, oh my gosh, I'd love to see it.

00:01:39.012 --> 00:01:43.031
It's just audio, but I would love to share it with you and our listeners.

00:01:43.359 --> 00:01:46.203
Yes, I would love to hear it and I think I can speak for our listeners.

00:01:46.203 --> 00:01:46.765
They would too.

00:01:47.888 --> 00:01:49.753
Okay, great, all right, everybody.

00:01:49.753 --> 00:01:51.224
It's called sequestered.

00:01:51.224 --> 00:01:51.927
Here we go.

00:01:55.980 --> 00:01:58.887
On a cold November night, jasmine Pace disappeared.

00:01:58.887 --> 00:02:04.126
Days later her lifeless body was found and a community was left in shock.

00:02:04.746 --> 00:02:06.941
It's a story that struck the nation.

00:02:06.941 --> 00:02:19.316
In November, 22-year-old Jasmine Pace was reported missing by her mother, and less than one week later her body was found, police say at the hands of her boyfriend, jason Chen.

00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:27.274
I was called to serve on the jury in the murder trial of the state of Tennessee versus Jason Chin, who was accused of taking Jasmine's life.

00:02:27.274 --> 00:02:33.372
Over nine days, I witnessed the unraveling of a horrifying story, one that I will never forget.

00:02:36.040 --> 00:02:45.875
This is the suitcase in which Jason Chin stuffed the 98-pound body of Jasmine Pace.

00:02:48.661 --> 00:03:04.032
This is Sequestered, a juror's perspective on the murder trial for Jasmine Pace, a podcast that takes you inside the courtroom, behind closed doors, and into the heart of a trial that captivated the town of Chattanooga, Tennessee.

00:03:04.461 --> 00:03:08.752
Friends say she was the person you called, no matter what time of day it was.

00:03:08.752 --> 00:03:10.826
They say she was always there.

00:03:10.826 --> 00:03:17.092
They say her personality was so magnetic people couldn't help but gravitate towards her.

00:03:18.260 --> 00:03:20.889
Each episode will walk you through one day of the trial.

00:03:20.889 --> 00:03:30.352
I'll share my experience as a juror and how I grappled with the weight of the evidence, the responsibility of the verdict and sentencing, and honoring Jasmine's story.

00:03:31.419 --> 00:03:32.742
Victims matter.

00:03:32.742 --> 00:03:37.894
Jasmine Pace is not just some girl listed in an autopsy report.

00:03:37.894 --> 00:03:41.544
She is not the photos that you have seen.

00:03:41.544 --> 00:03:45.572
Don't minimize her to a name on an indictment.

00:03:45.572 --> 00:03:47.574
She's a person.

00:03:47.574 --> 00:03:53.854
She had family that loved her, she was a friend, she was a granddaughter.

00:03:53.854 --> 00:03:59.264
Please don't minimize this trial to the trial for him.

00:04:00.126 --> 00:04:06.055
Join us as we explore the crime, the trial and the profound impact of Jasmine Pace's story.

00:04:07.021 --> 00:04:12.734
I want you to remember this trial as the trial for Jasmine Pace.

00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:19.252
This is Sequestred a juror's journey, a victim's voice and the pursuit of truth.

00:04:19.252 --> 00:04:21.019
Subscribe now.

00:04:34.149 --> 00:04:34.649
Thank you.

00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:43.115
I'm over here clapping and I want to say that I think that whoever produced that trailer is a genius.

00:04:44.357 --> 00:04:47.742
Thank you very much You're welcome.

00:04:48.384 --> 00:04:52.209
I've never seen Sarah work so hard on a project.

00:04:52.209 --> 00:04:53.492
It's been really cool to see.

00:04:54.494 --> 00:04:54.793
Thank you.

00:04:54.793 --> 00:05:02.855
Yeah, no, it's been really a passionate project for me.

00:05:02.855 --> 00:05:05.925
It's been an interesting way for me to process everything, because I couldn't do do it.

00:05:05.925 --> 00:05:23.233
You know, the days of the trial I had my head had to be in the game, and I'll explain in the first episode how, like, we really couldn't even talk to each other about it until the deliberation phase, so information just had to be stored in my head and on paper until we could talk about it.

00:05:23.233 --> 00:05:36.180
So processing the emotional side of it was not really a huge option until, like, maybe, the hotel room which by then I was like I don't want to think about any of this, I just want to, like, go and, you know, do whatever, go to sleep.

00:05:36.180 --> 00:05:39.870
So anyway, it was really quite an experience.

00:05:39.870 --> 00:05:40.651
I'll never forget it.

00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:58.410
Wow Well like I said before the trial, I don't think that they could ask for a better juror than you, and so I know there were other jurors and I'm really glad that you were a part of that process and I have so many questions about it.

00:05:58.410 --> 00:06:04.571
But I feel like I want to wait and listen to the podcast and see if my questions are answered and then, if they're not, I want to.

00:06:04.571 --> 00:06:07.425
I want to ask questions, but I also don't want to.

00:06:07.425 --> 00:06:10.052
I don't want to unveil your thunder early.

00:06:10.052 --> 00:06:10.720
You know what I mean.

00:06:11.021 --> 00:06:11.983
No, no, no, no.

00:06:11.983 --> 00:06:33.480
I'm happy Like we need a whole just group session anyway, because I know there's a couple of us that either watch the trial the whole time, like Moose did, she watched every second of it from like online every second, but I I tried to go back if I missed anything to watch it because it really was a fascinating, very devastating trial.

00:06:33.639 --> 00:06:44.430
But I became pretty uh, connected to it after a few like minutes of watching the trial, because you can't believe another human would do that to someone Right.

00:06:44.430 --> 00:06:45.252
That's crazy.

00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:53.855
So if you guys think to, please go listen to the trailer again, follow the podcast and or subscribe, or whatever the kids are calling it these days.

00:06:53.855 --> 00:06:57.730
We're hoping to get that thing released very soon.

00:06:57.730 --> 00:06:59.345
It's called sequestered.

00:06:59.345 --> 00:07:00.882
Yeah, it's called sequestered.

00:07:01.543 --> 00:07:13.521
And will you do like some of the streaming services and release everything at once for like mass, like addiction, consumption, or will you release one episode at a time and make us wait?

00:07:13.521 --> 00:07:15.826
Like I know, there are strategies in both.

00:07:16.187 --> 00:07:18.461
Yeah, Great question Do you want to answer Ms?

00:07:19.382 --> 00:07:22.610
Well, I think what is going to happen on February 10th?

00:07:22.610 --> 00:07:27.651
Three episodes are going to drop and then it's going to come out every Monday.

00:07:27.651 --> 00:07:29.586
There'll be a new episode after that.

00:07:29.725 --> 00:07:30.488
Yeah, cool.

00:07:30.488 --> 00:07:47.980
So there'll be seven episodes that follow and, yeah, the idea is that it goes in sequential order, from the first episode being my jury duty and selection, and then each day of the trial thereafter, and so the goal has been for us to write it from my perspective.

00:07:47.980 --> 00:07:53.432
So, as the trial unfolded, I didn't know a dang thing, like a single thing, about it going into it.

00:07:53.432 --> 00:07:57.812
So the whole thing had to be told to us, you know, and revealed to us.

00:07:57.812 --> 00:08:03.333
So that's kind of how I'm trying to tell it, while filling in some context, you know.

00:08:03.333 --> 00:08:17.860
But I'm really trying to tell it for real and like we're I mean, she's been amazing at researching and fact checking and just making sure we're like saying it right, not trying to get ahead of it, not trying to use, you know, other people's opinions or stuff.

00:08:17.860 --> 00:08:21.245
So, yeah, anyway, it's been cool, it's been an interesting process.

00:08:21.245 --> 00:08:26.694
I've never done a documentary style podcast and what do you think?

00:08:26.694 --> 00:08:30.942
This is True, very true.

00:08:30.942 --> 00:08:32.025
I was.

00:08:32.066 --> 00:08:34.791
This is real time what's happening in our lives.

00:08:34.791 --> 00:08:35.913
This is a reality show.

00:08:37.541 --> 00:08:39.024
It's more of reality TV.

00:08:39.465 --> 00:09:00.966
Like I was thinking about our podcast today, after Moose and I were texting a little bit, and I was thinking about our podcast and I was going, like you know, like is it okay that it's just kind of super like, woo way, like in the flow, like going with you know, whatever we talk about and in whichever direction things go, or should we like really try to tighten it up?

00:09:00.966 --> 00:09:08.520
And should we try to do like like some other podcasts and go like okay, well, we're going to interview people and we're going to ask smart questions and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah?

00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:18.789
And then I thought you know what Like, like we have engaged with a really beautiful community of listeners and I I don't want to lose you guys.

00:09:18.990 --> 00:09:19.390
And so.

00:09:19.692 --> 00:09:25.648
I think that part of the reason you're here is that you like what you're hearing and so it makes me go don't change it.

00:09:25.648 --> 00:09:29.734
Like don't don't change it and and you know cause I was.

00:09:29.734 --> 00:09:46.071
What led me to that thought process today is Moose was texting me, just asking me how I was doing and I was driving and I was stuck in in like what felt like rush hour traffic, but it wasn't rush hour and I just started crying Like I just started crying.

00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:51.312
I just was having these big like turtle tears and I was like what if I cry on the podcast?

00:09:51.312 --> 00:09:52.744
Is it okay to cry on the podcast?

00:09:52.744 --> 00:09:54.870
Does anybody listening care if I cry on the podcast?

00:09:54.870 --> 00:09:56.222
And I was like, who cares?

00:09:56.222 --> 00:10:04.830
Like like it's just the thing that we've been doing, and we've been doing it consistently now, or semi consistently, for a really long time.

00:10:04.971 --> 00:10:14.625
And I just want to say, like I am proud of you Sarah, I am proud of you Moose, I am proud of you Kat, Like you guys have done a great, great job at sticking with this.

00:10:15.248 --> 00:10:16.671
Well, so have you, kat.

00:10:16.671 --> 00:10:25.052
It's funny because, um, speaking of um, podcasting and marketing and things like that, um, I was thinking the other day.

00:10:25.052 --> 00:10:34.966
I was like one of the interesting things about why I think it's so hard to actually market the cat and moose podcast is because it's about everything to your point.

00:10:34.966 --> 00:10:38.662
You know, it's like seinfeld, it's like you can't really go.

00:10:38.662 --> 00:10:56.188
Oh, yes, we dabble in mental health and, yes, we dabble in, uh, body work things, and you know all the different things that we talk about, um, but ultimately, I feel like it's really about everything we're walking through, right, right.

00:10:56.711 --> 00:10:57.774
Yeah, it is.

00:10:57.774 --> 00:11:09.529
It's about life, and I was listening to our intro recently and hearing you say moose, um, the cat moose podcast is about the quirks of being human and I was like, is that interesting?

00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:13.427
And I was like, well, apparently we think it is, because we've been talking about it for years now.

00:11:13.427 --> 00:11:14.833
Yeah, you know, like what?

00:11:14.833 --> 00:11:16.961
What is the human experience, like what?

00:11:16.961 --> 00:11:18.605
What are the quirks of being human?

00:11:18.605 --> 00:11:21.270
And and that is what it's about.

00:11:21.270 --> 00:11:43.850
And and yes, that's super broad strokes and it also like has these moments of being really pointed to you know where it's like we talk about everything from, like you know, death to life, to politics, to, you know, work, all the things, and and our listeners are doing all those things too you know, like they're experiencing their own version of that.

00:11:43.850 --> 00:11:47.804
So, while it may be hard to market, it's not hard to love.

00:11:48.687 --> 00:11:49.568
That's right.

00:11:49.749 --> 00:11:52.361
Oh, that's good, we need t-shirts that say that.

00:11:52.361 --> 00:11:55.374
Hey, and speaking of, uh, we're actually.

00:11:55.374 --> 00:12:05.287
I was going through my calendar today putting in some work stuff and I realized in just over two weeks will be our five-year anniversary of the release of our first episode.

00:12:05.727 --> 00:12:06.950
That's amazing.

00:12:06.950 --> 00:12:08.274
Yeah, be your own snowman Five years.

00:12:08.274 --> 00:12:11.660
We're going to pop some bubbly for that Woo so.

00:12:11.660 --> 00:12:22.013
Kat can you tell us about your tears and how your life has been, because I know there have been some bumps lately and I would like to hear about them.

00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:23.984
Yeah, I certainly can.

00:12:23.984 --> 00:12:31.597
So Earlier in 2024, my Uncle T passed away.

00:12:31.597 --> 00:12:53.322
He had been kind of deteriorating health-wise for the past couple of years and none of us really knew how much, because he was very reclusive, he was very to himself and every now and then my mom would go pick him up and be like you are going with us to a family reunion, like you are going with us to go grocery shopping or whatever it is.

00:12:53.322 --> 00:12:58.251
He lives a few hours away from from the rest of my family and so anyway.

00:12:58.251 --> 00:13:07.525
So so in the days leading up to him passing away, we were at the hospital a lot and experienced a lot of things for the first time.

00:13:07.525 --> 00:13:08.371
Some of us did.

00:13:08.552 --> 00:13:11.270
Some of us have experienced that over and over for the first time.

00:13:11.270 --> 00:13:11.572
Some of us did.

00:13:11.572 --> 00:13:12.533
Some of us have experienced that over and over.

00:13:12.533 --> 00:13:27.878
But for some of our family it was like, wow, that's the first time that I have been in a room with a person not living, or been in a room when a person passes over, and you know like there was just a lot of new and unique and unusual circumstances around all of that.

00:13:27.878 --> 00:13:44.422
And um, just a few days ago my mom's oldest brother, don um, passed away and he was 91 years old and like wow, to say that you've lived 91 years like gosh, it's like like, yeah, me too.

00:13:44.422 --> 00:13:45.927
And it's like, well, how did he die?

00:13:45.927 --> 00:13:49.196
It's almost kind of like dude he lived in 91.

00:13:49.255 --> 00:14:01.144
Like yeah, it's like he can die however he wants to and my understanding is that his passing was very peaceful and he was in a wonderful hospice environment and had family around him.

00:14:01.144 --> 00:14:22.221
And it's been a little weird because my mom's family they had eight siblings, her parents had eight kids and two of her siblings passed at a relatively young age, like the one passed away from a heart condition, very young.

00:14:22.811 --> 00:14:45.357
And then another one passed away from cancer at 19 years old also very young and then over the years, you know, people have passed, you know for for various reasons and at various times, and at this juncture now, the only two living siblings on the maternal side of my family are my mom and my aunt.

00:14:45.357 --> 00:14:46.480
Oh, wow.

00:14:46.961 --> 00:14:48.143
I didn't realize that.

00:14:48.269 --> 00:14:50.573
Yeah, so Mary Mac, yeah Mary.

00:14:50.614 --> 00:14:50.875
Mac.

00:14:50.894 --> 00:14:57.532
Yeah, yeah, mary, mac and my mom are the last two siblings and of course, they're women.

00:14:57.532 --> 00:15:02.013
They're awesome, they've outlived all the dudes, because women are just better in my opinion.

00:15:02.013 --> 00:15:05.592
Love you, chris, obviously Love you, our male listeners.

00:15:05.592 --> 00:15:08.857
And and also, like I think women are just awesome.

00:15:08.857 --> 00:15:52.136
And so it also like brings the the topic that humanity has had to deal with forever and ever and ever, of like we're all mortal, like there is no, there is no like escaping that, at least in this body, in this place, in this soul, like this body is going to no longer exist at some point, you know, and it's like, while that is like a piece of data, because of attachment, because of love, because of relationship, because of how humans work together, it's like that's a really hard thing when somebody leaves, when somebody dies, even if they are quote-unquote, going to a better place, because none of us know where they're going.

00:15:52.136 --> 00:15:55.816
We have a lot of beliefs about it, we have superstitions about it, I know.

00:15:55.816 --> 00:15:57.279
Well, I'm glad, I'm glad.

00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:58.001
Yeah.

00:15:58.850 --> 00:16:07.101
I'm glad that you know, and in the trifecta, the trilogy, the what's it called the Trinity.

00:16:07.142 --> 00:16:07.842
Star Wars.

00:16:07.842 --> 00:16:14.011
Oh, trinity the trinity star wars.

00:16:14.011 --> 00:16:30.183
Oh well, trinity or star wars, moose, you are god, so you do know, you know, but but no, I'm not god, I just know where we're going, oh okay, yeah, I was trying to make a complimentary connection there, because you're the holy spirit right, right yeah I know you're jesus and sarah's the holy spirit something like that have had.

00:16:30.404 --> 00:16:31.830
We've had this discussion a hundred times.

00:16:31.830 --> 00:16:33.056
Our listeners are bored now.

00:16:33.649 --> 00:16:45.181
So, um, so, anyway, my, my uncle, don, passed away um recently and I just got back yesterday from the private family viewing of his body.

00:16:45.181 --> 00:16:46.615
How do you feel about that?

00:16:46.615 --> 00:16:54.840
Um, it was, it was, uh, it was hard, it was important.

00:16:54.840 --> 00:17:06.332
It was really really important to me to be a support to my other family members and it was really really important for my other family members to be a support to me.

00:17:06.332 --> 00:17:14.724
Yeah, and, and it was, it was nice to have that support amidst a really really sad thing.

00:17:14.724 --> 00:17:34.932
And then I think also, like what I was alluding to before, is that, like, there's only two left, and my mom and my aunt, who are the people I am the closest to, are the two left, so when, when somebody passes, it's going to be one of them.

00:17:35.875 --> 00:17:36.035
Yeah.

00:17:36.415 --> 00:17:45.470
You know, and it's like that's that just comes with a lot of gravity and it comes with a lot of like what am I doing with my life, like, how am I loving my people?

00:17:45.470 --> 00:18:14.957
Well, like all of that, and, and you know, even though I've dealt with death throughout life, you know, my dad passed away 23 years ago and, and you know, we've had mutual, been kind of like, just kind of like okay, like this is reality and I can't control it.

00:18:14.957 --> 00:18:18.304
I cannot control it whatsoever.

00:18:20.531 --> 00:18:40.180
I think that's the best recognition, though, because I think, when we're living in reality, uh, I think that that is the most precious thing we can do is to be like oh, it is, yeah, and it just is.

00:18:40.401 --> 00:19:01.993
And it got to a point where my sister kind of dreads her birthday because her birthday is only six days after my dad passed the celebration of her birthday, and so every year that her birthday rolls around, she's like, well, I get it and I'm paraphrasing for her, but she's like, well, I get this wet blanket of, just less than a week before my birthday, my dad dies.

00:19:01.993 --> 00:19:06.351
So how in the world am I supposed to ever be able to celebrate my birthday, you know, and?

00:19:06.351 --> 00:19:17.920
And so then, with my uncle Don passing just a few days before her birthday, different date than when my dad passed, we got to joke about it, though, and I said, well, I said, just clarify for me which day is mine?

00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:20.021
Like, which day am I going to die?

00:19:20.021 --> 00:19:24.986
Like do I get the 22nd, the 23rd, the 25th, the 26th, you know?

00:19:24.986 --> 00:19:39.013
And we were able to laugh about it, and she like played right into it and she was like well, here are the days that you have available so whenever you open days, oh, and don't forget which day is my birthday right, let's not make it that

00:19:39.193 --> 00:19:42.058
one that is that's so funny.

00:19:42.058 --> 00:19:58.741
So, uh, okay, I want to go back to for a moment, uh, all of that realization and, um, sort of the recognition of our finality, because I think that's, I love that this episode's about death.

00:19:58.741 --> 00:20:02.772
It's just gonna be, guys, it really is, because I have a happy new year.

00:20:02.772 --> 00:20:06.260
I have a lot to say happy new lunar year.

00:20:06.280 --> 00:20:07.462
It's the year of the snake.

00:20:07.542 --> 00:20:30.898
Let's shed all the dead shit and get on with exciting shit well, I don't think anyone's thinking that, but my, my grandmother on my mom's side, the one that was the mean grandmother that I took into the haunted house in a wheelchair she always believed that february was like, basically cursed like.

00:20:30.898 --> 00:20:38.260
I think she legitimately believed in a little bit of all that and it was because she had 13 siblings.

00:20:38.589 --> 00:20:42.535
Oh my God, I might have that number wrong, but it's at least 13.

00:20:42.535 --> 00:20:43.839
Oh my God.

00:20:43.839 --> 00:20:50.340
So those are my great aunts and uncles and like 90% of them, died in February.

00:20:50.340 --> 00:20:54.671
Well, get this Okay.

00:20:54.671 --> 00:20:55.732
So this is going to play into what I'm telling.

00:20:55.732 --> 00:20:56.836
I'm not just trying to tell sad stories.

00:20:56.836 --> 00:21:17.518
But, uh, my mom, when she had her stroke January 1st no way to welcome a new year in 2019 like that and then I said to my sister, if she waits till February to die, I know that my grandmother was right about February and my mom passed away on February 1st.

00:21:17.518 --> 00:21:18.472
It's like she just went.

00:21:18.472 --> 00:21:22.717
I'm going to make it this long, yep, but all that to say.

00:21:22.717 --> 00:21:25.999
And that was her mom, right, that was her mom, correct?

00:21:25.999 --> 00:21:28.393
Yeah, and she also died in February.

00:21:28.393 --> 00:21:30.476
For what it's worth.

00:21:30.836 --> 00:21:33.579
Lord, I mean like that is awesome.

00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:34.760
Everyone hold on tight.

00:21:34.800 --> 00:21:35.923
We're not leaving the house.

00:21:35.923 --> 00:21:37.664
Let's check on each other every hour.

00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:44.313
She might have died in November, I don't know, but let's just say for the story, she died in February.

00:21:44.313 --> 00:21:51.604
Right, but all to your sister's point, you know, I think it's easy if you haven't really lost someone close to you to go, oh, it's just a date.

00:21:51.604 --> 00:22:03.119
Cause I kind of felt that way before, like, oh well, like it's a date, like my sister would sometimes take off work on my dad's death anniversary and I remember thinking like what are you going to do?

00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:11.741
But I will say this I just pulled up a picture 2021.

00:22:11.741 --> 00:22:15.861
And you guys remember this story because we did a podcast when I was in Florida.

00:22:15.861 --> 00:22:24.981
I had a full on breakdown in January and I went down to St George Island and sat on the beach by myself and in a bathtub and read about chakras.

00:22:25.282 --> 00:22:27.769
Yes, Like yes, exactly Great memory.

00:22:27.971 --> 00:22:40.853
And I just went and tried to heal myself and I saw that picture come up today and I thought, oh my gosh, that was four years ago and it still is as painful as it was when my mom passed away.

00:22:40.853 --> 00:22:45.590
Now I'm not saying that to say to you because your mom is alive and well.

00:22:45.590 --> 00:22:54.109
I understand all the feelings, but I am with your sister that, like this week, I had a panic attack out of nowhere.

00:22:54.109 --> 00:22:55.252
Out of nowhere.

00:22:55.252 --> 00:22:57.759
It was right, when we were supposed to record the podcast.

00:22:57.759 --> 00:22:58.220
That's right.

00:22:58.340 --> 00:23:03.800
I was ready, I was in here, I was ready and I had this pain shoot from my chest to my back.

00:23:03.800 --> 00:23:13.876
I was pacing, I was bending over, I was doing anything I could to release this pain and we, finally everybody just called it and you both were like we'll do it another time or whatever.

00:23:13.876 --> 00:23:30.415
But that's the only thing I could point to is that during this last week before my mom passed away, that we were, she was in hospice, so we were mourning all of that and it just is like you know, we talk about all the time your body remembers.

00:23:30.415 --> 00:23:31.400
Say it, kat.

00:23:32.109 --> 00:23:33.713
The body remembers.

00:23:34.977 --> 00:23:43.316
The body keeps score, but it's true, it's so weird how even our body knows it sometimes and we don't know what's going on.

00:23:43.316 --> 00:23:44.178
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:44.337 --> 00:23:53.683
Yeah, Our, our bodies, our bodies so know, and yeah, I just have so much to say about that and I want to really honor that like that.

00:23:53.683 --> 00:24:00.151
That time that anniversary is coming up, it's like, how are you doing with February 1st rolling around?

00:24:01.012 --> 00:24:02.316
I'm, I'm okay with it.

00:24:02.316 --> 00:24:04.701
I mean, obviously it's coming, whether I like it or not.

00:24:04.701 --> 00:24:09.278
Um, what I find interesting is my breakdown is usually before it.

00:24:09.278 --> 00:24:12.044
Like the day has never been super hard for me.

00:24:12.044 --> 00:24:14.037
I always try and do something to honor my mom.

00:24:14.037 --> 00:24:21.174
But when I look at that I go, oh, I was actually already mourning because I knew what was coming.

00:24:21.335 --> 00:24:22.519
Yeah, you were preparing.

00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:23.381
Yeah.

00:24:24.010 --> 00:24:26.487
Okay, so, Sarah, hold your hand up.

00:24:26.487 --> 00:24:36.252
She's got a boo-boo and, uh, we were standing in the garage and she looks down her hand and she's like what is that?

00:24:36.252 --> 00:24:38.219
And she thought it was like poop or something.

00:24:38.420 --> 00:24:43.492
No, she didn't really think it was not not my poop, but just like some gunk like dirt, you know.

00:24:44.474 --> 00:24:48.311
So she starts rubbing it on herself and she's like, oh, what is that?

00:24:48.311 --> 00:24:51.578
And then she realized, oh, it's like dried up blood.

00:24:51.578 --> 00:24:56.538
And she's got this cut on her hand and immediately I go OK.

00:24:56.538 --> 00:25:01.402
And she goes oh my gosh, now that I've noticed this cut, I can notice it hurts.

00:25:01.402 --> 00:25:04.759
And I thought, oh my God, that's what healing is like internally.

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.217
Wow Is like we ignore it.

00:25:07.217 --> 00:25:09.859
She didn't even know that cut was there beforehand.

00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:15.432
That's fucking beautiful right we can finally feel it once.

00:25:15.612 --> 00:25:17.675
We, once, we go.

00:25:17.675 --> 00:25:20.019
Oh yeah, that actually happened.

00:25:20.019 --> 00:25:22.544
And then you're you, you can actually go.

00:25:22.544 --> 00:25:27.724
Oh, let me work through that pain that I feel and how many times, I guess.

00:25:27.765 --> 00:25:37.239
How often do we not choose to work through like we don't even choose to acknowledge oh, that happened, or I'm in pain, or like we're gonna just press on people?

00:25:37.239 --> 00:25:38.161
Yeah, you know.

00:25:38.161 --> 00:25:40.673
Oh yeah, until that comes back to get you.

00:25:40.712 --> 00:25:42.557
Sorry, kat, okay yeah, no, it's fine.

00:25:42.557 --> 00:25:48.477
It's like it reminds me of 12-step stuff you know, it's like the first step is admitting you have a problem.

00:25:48.477 --> 00:25:52.086
Yeah, you know it's like going like I have a cut, and then it's like and then what well it might.

00:25:52.086 --> 00:25:55.278
You know it's like going like I have a cut and then it's like and then what Well, it might just hurt for another year.

00:25:56.092 --> 00:26:22.255
Like, like there's no rules per se of like what happens next, but it's like, it's like admitting and acknowledging and I was even talking with a friend today about how, like, when people have an awareness of their deficiencies or their weaknesses or their shortcomings or whatever it is, it's like that's that's the best, because it's like, if there's an awareness, something is going to change.

00:26:22.255 --> 00:26:24.099
Is that whole brené brown?

00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:24.961
Something is going to change?

00:26:24.961 --> 00:26:44.679
Which reminds me I was on a flight recently and I was with a friend and my friend was convinced, convinced that the woman sitting across the aisle from us, there was a man in the aisle seat and then a woman in the window seat and my friend was convinced it was Brene Brown.

00:26:45.520 --> 00:26:50.153
oh my gosh, how did I not get a FaceTime during that?

00:26:50.313 --> 00:26:52.800
well, because we were in the air and you can't do that in the air.

00:26:52.800 --> 00:27:01.721
We were so convinced that it was Brene Brown and then we realized very quickly at the end of the flight, when we walked out with the woman, we were like, wow, this is not.

00:27:01.721 --> 00:27:05.453
Brene Brown, but it was really fun for that.

00:27:05.453 --> 00:27:15.013
Like two and a half hours to think like I am sitting within three feet of somebody who we quote like on a weekly basis, like that was really exciting man.

00:27:15.434 --> 00:27:26.401
I was once on a southwest flight with Stedman Graham Oprah's honey, honey boo, and I couldn't believe he was on a southwest flight.

00:27:26.401 --> 00:27:30.153
I was like if I had y'all's money, mama would be on first class.

00:27:30.153 --> 00:27:35.020
But he was not, not, and I even looked up his book and looked at him.

00:27:35.061 --> 00:27:36.042
I was like that's him.

00:27:36.042 --> 00:27:37.444
Wow, Amazing.

00:27:37.890 --> 00:27:40.900
While we're at it, we sat next to Snooki's dad at a bar.

00:27:40.900 --> 00:27:42.394
Oh that's true?

00:27:44.090 --> 00:27:44.914
Okay, get this.

00:27:44.914 --> 00:27:46.195
We haven't told this story.

00:27:46.195 --> 00:27:47.771
On the way to Key West.

00:27:47.771 --> 00:27:53.561
We go into like was it a yard house no, a bj's brew house.

00:27:53.741 --> 00:27:55.471
Yep, and we just went to the bar.

00:27:55.471 --> 00:27:59.659
There's football on and I, sarah's on my left and I'm sitting.

00:27:59.659 --> 00:28:02.791
This guy comes up long story, it annoyed the shit out of me.

00:28:02.791 --> 00:28:03.955
And he's like can I sit here?

00:28:03.955 --> 00:28:13.324
Basically, so he's sitting there and he's talking to his son-in-law and he's like loud as shit and, uh, he keeps apologizing Sorry, I'm from New York, sorry, I'm from New York.

00:28:13.324 --> 00:28:18.782
And then out of his mouth I hear him say somebody said have you ever been to that stadium?

00:28:18.782 --> 00:28:24.201
His son-in-law said that and he goes yeah, snooki played that stadium.

00:28:24.201 --> 00:28:24.932
And I go.

00:28:24.932 --> 00:28:26.538
He just say Snooki.

00:28:26.538 --> 00:28:31.511
So I look up Snooki's dad and, sure enough, sitting right next to me in Miami.

00:28:31.511 --> 00:28:34.675
So I look up Snooki's dad and, sure enough, sitting right next to me in Miami, there he was, there he was, that's amazing.

00:28:35.557 --> 00:28:38.540
So tell me Louis Armstrong's daughter.

00:28:38.540 --> 00:28:40.623
Do you guys know who that is?

00:28:40.623 --> 00:28:43.086
No, is it Natalie Armstrong, adele?

00:28:43.086 --> 00:28:44.854
No, it's not.

00:28:44.894 --> 00:28:45.195
Adele.

00:28:47.011 --> 00:28:47.071
Oh.

00:28:47.093 --> 00:28:48.478
Natalie Merchant Nope.

00:28:50.316 --> 00:28:54.259
Natalie Armstrong no that's Sharon Preston Folta.

00:28:54.259 --> 00:28:56.311
Yes, I, whoever.

00:28:57.615 --> 00:28:58.355
Is that right?

00:28:58.355 --> 00:28:59.478
I don't know.

00:28:59.478 --> 00:29:00.599
I sat.

00:29:00.599 --> 00:29:03.664
I sat next to her on a flight with my sister.

00:29:03.664 --> 00:29:20.220
Like this is probably like 15 years ago, and and that was when I still had the practice of carrying business cards in my backpack and carrying CDs of the artists that I work with in my backpack, so I could spread the good news of the kingdom of God, of course, and a Sharpie.

00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:21.222
You always have a Sharpie.

00:29:21.222 --> 00:29:23.036
Of course that's not a Sharpie.

00:29:23.036 --> 00:29:26.078
That was the closest thing I had.

00:29:26.829 --> 00:29:28.877
That was really close, moose, but no cigar.

00:29:28.877 --> 00:29:33.378
Anyway, yeah, we were on her her flight.

00:29:33.378 --> 00:29:34.561
This is not a good story.

00:29:34.561 --> 00:29:35.792
Did you talk to her?

00:29:35.792 --> 00:29:37.938
Yes, I gave her, I gave.

00:29:37.938 --> 00:29:39.019
I wrote her a postcard.

00:29:39.019 --> 00:29:42.816
I was like I really appreciate your art, I love your music, like you're wonderful.

00:29:42.816 --> 00:29:45.021
These are a few of the artists I work with.

00:29:45.021 --> 00:29:47.478
I hope you have a really blessed day, like it was something like that.

00:29:47.478 --> 00:29:59.314
So as I got off the plane I just handed it to her and she was like thank you she probably just threw it in the trash, but sweet, yeah, yeah.

00:29:59.354 --> 00:30:04.125
Have you ever seen the people that like will be on a flight and will just like knit a bonnet for a baby and then be like?

00:30:04.125 --> 00:30:05.250
Here, you go at the end.

00:30:05.250 --> 00:30:07.075
Yeah, wait what?

00:30:07.115 --> 00:30:08.057
they hand it to you.

00:30:08.057 --> 00:30:09.901
Just like what if you don't have a?

00:30:09.941 --> 00:30:10.422
baby.

00:30:10.422 --> 00:30:16.378
No, no, like the mom next to them's just like oh but then, like at the end of the flight, they're like I made this hat for your kid.

00:30:16.378 --> 00:30:17.961
No, creepy I'm.

00:30:17.961 --> 00:30:26.153
I'm not into that at all, that's like that's like something southern people do and you're like no, that's don't.

00:30:26.453 --> 00:30:35.817
That's not even her colors number one I, I want to remind you laced with something right, you're not killing my baby nope not interested.

00:30:37.121 --> 00:30:38.042
Honestly, it's creepy.

00:30:38.042 --> 00:30:39.086
You brought the yarn.

00:30:39.086 --> 00:30:41.593
How did you know I was sitting here with my child.

00:30:41.633 --> 00:30:44.579
She was gonna knit anyway, connect, oh yeah.

00:30:44.579 --> 00:30:47.934
And then she just reaches over and goes can I measure your baby's head?

00:30:48.055 --> 00:30:57.637
listen, she needed a reason to connect, yeah like I feel like you guys got a whole lot of energy around this and I am just left in the dust.

00:30:57.637 --> 00:30:58.700
Man she's wrong.

00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:59.280
She's wrong.

00:30:59.721 --> 00:31:02.233
It's weird have you ever experienced that cat?

00:31:02.974 --> 00:31:10.557
no, really okay, no just me, huh, I wrote something down and I think this might be the question.

00:31:10.557 --> 00:31:18.063
That is my life's work to ask people in a container that is safe, which is not here, so that's why I'm bringing it up.

00:31:18.063 --> 00:31:22.277
Wait, no, I mean this would.

00:31:22.277 --> 00:31:31.480
This may not be a safe container as the podcast for you guys to answer it, but this is something I want everyone to take into their quiet time and their prayer closet.

00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.243
Okay, are you ready?

00:31:34.089 --> 00:31:40.013
It crosses so many not okay boundaries it's so entertaining.

00:31:40.414 --> 00:31:41.277
It's so entertaining.

00:31:41.698 --> 00:31:41.999
Okay.

00:31:42.579 --> 00:31:44.875
Okay, okay, close your eyes.

00:31:44.875 --> 00:31:47.499
If you're driving, pull over and close your eyes.

00:31:47.499 --> 00:31:48.712
Close your eyes.

00:31:48.712 --> 00:31:51.500
What is the thing?

00:31:51.500 --> 00:31:59.053
What is the?

00:31:59.073 --> 00:32:02.088
thing in your life that you don't want to tell the truth about.

00:32:02.148 --> 00:32:15.709
Oh damn, I know I had a little smoky smoky session and I was like that came into my brain and I wrote that down, and then I heard the words your work starts here.

00:32:15.729 --> 00:32:20.640
Wow, what is the thing in your life that you don't want to tell the truth about?

00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.253
Hmm, I mean, you're right, I can't do that here.

00:32:24.474 --> 00:32:36.215
No no, yeah, I can't do that here, I can't do that here we shouldn't, should we, I mean I could pick, like a small thing sure and be like yeah be like I don't want to tell my weight number.

00:32:36.877 --> 00:32:39.864
Oh, shut up, you've got deeper issues than that.

00:32:39.864 --> 00:32:45.578
You whore, you stupid whore.

00:32:45.598 --> 00:32:51.738
Just a little internal family systems, work that needs to be done what is it you don't want to tell the truth about?

00:32:51.758 --> 00:33:00.826
Okay, that's write it down internally or on your phone or wherever you need to talk to your therapist about it.

00:33:00.826 --> 00:33:01.086
Write a blog.

00:33:01.106 --> 00:33:07.255
I was going to say like we've got to resource people, like we can't just drop a grenade like that and then be like see you next week.

00:33:07.615 --> 00:33:09.576
Well, I mean, these people know what to do with it.

00:33:09.576 --> 00:33:19.374
Like you, either, take it, put it in your pocket, think about it or not even think about it.

00:33:19.394 --> 00:33:23.340
You need to feel into it you need to get some cat davis, touchy touchy, give me a break and uh and think about.

00:33:23.441 --> 00:33:26.590
What is it that you don't want to tell the truth about?

00:33:26.590 --> 00:33:28.172
Oh man, that was.

00:33:28.172 --> 00:33:38.539
That was straight from the heavens, the aliens, straight from Jupiter guys, into my heart and brain.

00:33:38.539 --> 00:33:39.340
I welcomed it.

00:33:39.461 --> 00:33:47.146
I said come now is the time to worship.

00:33:50.471 --> 00:33:51.875
Okay, wait, but you're missing the other half of it.

00:33:51.875 --> 00:33:53.901
Yeah, the last part of it is your work starts there.

00:33:53.901 --> 00:33:55.737
So what was the first part?

00:33:55.737 --> 00:33:59.038
What's the thing you don't want to tell the truth about?

00:33:59.038 --> 00:34:02.125
Your work starts there, wow.

00:34:02.888 --> 00:34:04.896
Yeah, that's a great challenge.

00:34:05.670 --> 00:34:13.255
But the problem is, you got to decide that you want to tell the truth Because, guess what, you're not going to feel it.

00:34:13.255 --> 00:34:18.461
We know that You're not going to feel it until you point it out and go oh there, it is, motherfucker yeah.

00:34:19.090 --> 00:34:23.795
And, like my wound, your boo-boo, be willing to look at it.

00:34:24.077 --> 00:34:24.318
Yes.

00:34:24.530 --> 00:34:25.612
And go like.

00:34:25.612 --> 00:34:27.679
At first I'm like ugh, disgusted by it.

00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:35.190
And within seconds my ugh turned to oh no, like by it.

00:34:35.190 --> 00:34:36.295
And within seconds my turn to oh, no, like I've got it.

00:34:36.295 --> 00:34:36.576
You know, like.

00:34:36.576 --> 00:34:46.240
And all of a sudden I hurt and I feel and it was a totally different expression by being willing to examine it, I guess, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm gonna be on a road trip with my mom.

00:34:46.280 --> 00:35:33.184
Tomorrow we're going to our annual family visitation to real foot lake, um yeah yeah, so that that is tomorrow and um, or it starts tomorrow and my mom and I are going a little bit earlier than everybody else, um, and we're doing that so that we have intentional one-on-one time to get to just be together and to talk you know, and and when we dropped my sister and her son off at their house after the family visitation yesterday, we had about 12 minutes in the car between my sister's house and my house and then my mom drove another two hours to go home to Alabama and in that 12 minutes my mom and I had the most beautiful, most intimate time together, talking about our feelings.

00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:46.077
And I was so excited because I felt like when I got to kind of see her off to drive home to Alabama, I was like, oh, only in like two or three days I'm going to get to do this with her again, yeah, and have this time with her again.

00:35:46.077 --> 00:35:49.219
And I've thought about, like what do I want to talk about?

00:35:49.219 --> 00:35:51.076
Like what questions do I want to ask?

00:35:51.076 --> 00:35:52.039
And blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:52.920
And like what do I want to talk about?

00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:54.181
Like what questions do I want to ask?

00:35:54.181 --> 00:35:54.722
And blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:54.722 --> 00:35:57.103
And I think I'm going to start with this one, that's great, I think I'm going to start with this one.

00:35:57.123 --> 00:35:59.045
What, what do you not want to tell the truth about?

00:35:59.045 --> 00:35:59.967
Holy shit?

00:36:00.086 --> 00:36:00.867
Isn't it such a?

00:36:00.867 --> 00:36:02.632
You said it it's a grenade.

00:36:02.952 --> 00:36:07.759
It's a it's a grenade and also give her and myself both the permission.

00:36:07.818 --> 00:36:18.315
You don't have to answer that on this trip, yeah, yeah, you know, if you want, and you don't have to tell me it's yeah yeah, you can answer it for yourself and not talk to me about it, and I think it's a.

00:36:18.556 --> 00:36:24.291
It's a very provocative question, moose, you, you are oh, I like being provocative.

00:36:24.612 --> 00:36:26.514
Yeah, whoa, yeah, I'm gonna.

00:36:26.514 --> 00:36:27.476
I'm gonna claim that.

00:36:27.476 --> 00:36:38.623
Do you know that I once asked an artist that used to manage you can guess which one how would you describe me, and they said well, not nice.

00:36:38.623 --> 00:36:47.512
So, instead of answering it, the first words out of their mouth was not, I'm not going to say nice is what they were saying and I was like.

00:36:47.512 --> 00:36:48.695
I appreciate that.

00:36:48.695 --> 00:36:50.860
I really do like I appreciate that I really do Like.

00:36:50.860 --> 00:36:51.300
I don't want that.

00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:54.155
Nice is too fluffy Like I want to be provocative.

00:36:54.596 --> 00:36:55.478
Yeah, okay.

00:36:55.900 --> 00:36:58.030
Nice you guys.

00:36:58.030 --> 00:37:00.896
I want to challenge us with all of these people dying.

00:37:00.896 --> 00:37:03.402
Oh God, I know.

00:37:03.402 --> 00:37:05.596
You got to have a little dark humor, guys.

00:37:05.596 --> 00:37:11.581
It doesn't work, otherwise we have so much life yet to do whatever we want with it.

00:37:11.581 --> 00:37:21.434
Yeah, we legitimately do, and we think it's over and we're like, oh well, let's just lean on into the bucket and it's like nah, man, like what do we want to do?

00:37:21.434 --> 00:37:23.380
Doesn't have to be painful.

00:37:23.782 --> 00:37:26.717
Yeah, I know what I want to do is I want to do more of this.

00:37:26.717 --> 00:37:28.061
Yeah, me too.

00:37:28.061 --> 00:37:51.617
Okay, I want to do more of this because this feels like a cross between, or a cross section of entertainment group therapy, healing fun yeah, not on the rails Like I like to get to kind of exist in this, like, yeah, it feels very Wu Wei to me, like I love it and I want to do more of it.

00:37:51.730 --> 00:37:55.721
Maybe we need to change the name to Off the Rails or Wu Wei.

00:37:55.721 --> 00:37:57.675
I'm down with either of those.

00:37:58.016 --> 00:38:01.074
Yeah, yeah, I think Off the Rails would be more.

00:38:02.318 --> 00:38:03.101
More appropriate.

00:38:03.710 --> 00:38:05.498
Well, I just think people would understand it.

00:38:05.498 --> 00:38:07.414
I think there's like three people who would go.

00:38:07.414 --> 00:38:22.338
Oh, Wu Wei, I know what that is, but they would be our people, though they would be our people, though they would be our people, yeah, yeah, maybe we just republish our podcast with like nine different names and see which one catches the fastest, yeah, that's a social media strategy right now.

00:38:22.338 --> 00:38:28.536
Actually, it's like create a million accounts that are very similar but not exactly the same, and see what you can get.

00:38:29.230 --> 00:38:31.391
We would totally get them all hacked, though.

00:38:31.391 --> 00:38:34.554
All of them would be hacked and we would have no businesses left.

00:38:34.635 --> 00:38:38.958
Hey, let's not manifest that I'm just kidding Gosh who came out?

00:38:38.998 --> 00:38:39.739
That was a demon.

00:38:39.739 --> 00:38:40.800
Get out of here, demon.

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:41.902
Get on out.

00:38:41.902 --> 00:38:43.563
Get on out.

00:38:43.563 --> 00:38:45.985
Hey, are we watching the super bowl together, or do?

00:38:46.005 --> 00:38:46.907
you have other plans?

00:39:07.918 --> 00:39:09.820
I mean I don't have other plans, I don't have other friends.

00:39:09.880 --> 00:39:11.322
So great, let's go Well we're coming.

00:39:11.342 --> 00:39:13.704
Well, I don't know anyone, but we could pray about it.

00:39:14.126 --> 00:39:14.947
Yeah, pray about it.

00:39:14.947 --> 00:39:16.335
And I know that was way too late.

00:39:16.335 --> 00:39:19.307
It was all of a sudden, like I asked you to like cross the San Francisco.

00:39:19.327 --> 00:39:19.650
Bay Bridge.

00:39:19.650 --> 00:39:21.786
You took me to third base before I was ready.

00:39:22.431 --> 00:39:23.434
I didn't even kiss you.

00:39:23.434 --> 00:39:24.498
I'm so sorry.

00:39:24.498 --> 00:39:28.092
We could discuss offline.

00:39:28.092 --> 00:39:30.237
Let's discuss it offline.

00:39:30.597 --> 00:39:31.780
Thank you guys for listening.

00:39:31.780 --> 00:39:33.402
We are so glad you're back.

00:39:33.402 --> 00:39:34.244
Producer Sarah.

00:39:34.244 --> 00:39:44.344
Thank you, so excited to celebrate your creativity and your podcast called Sequestred, sequestred Go, follow Go listen.

00:39:44.344 --> 00:39:45.733
Very excited about that.

00:39:46.336 --> 00:39:46.878
Love you all.

00:39:46.878 --> 00:39:47.632
Have a wonderful week.

00:39:47.652 --> 00:39:48.936
Love you, Kat Love you guys, Love you, Moose Love you, Miss.

00:39:48.936 --> 00:39:49.539
Love you Kat.

00:39:49.539 --> 00:39:51.606
Love you guys, Love you Moose, Love you, Miss Love you.

00:39:51.606 --> 00:39:52.349
Love you Sarah.

00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.083
Bye.

00:40:02.163 --> 00:40:03.925
Special thanks to our producer Sarah.

00:40:03.945 --> 00:40:04.224
Reed.

00:40:04.224 --> 00:40:09.626
To find out more, go to katandmoosepodcastcom dot com.

00:40:09.626 --> 00:40:20.376
Cat and Moose is a BP production.