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It's the Kat and Moose podcast I'm Kat and I'm Moose. This i a true life podcast where we e plore the quirks of being human hey moose, how are you? Oh, you know I'm, I've been doing some way away.
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Oh, you've been doing a little woo way. Tell me about that.
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I'm just trying to impress you.
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I'm so impressed. Like I literally like all my little crush buttons were just push.
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We just talked the last episode.
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Hi, you're running around naked with your heart hanging out?
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Yeah. And I was thinking that I was gonna approach producer Sarah about leaving that part of our conversation out of the episode. No. Nope.
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Why?
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I don't I don't I don't resonate with running around naked. I don't read does not I don't feel that anywhere in my authentic body.
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I disagree.
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That you'd be a great bodywork therapist.
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We are how you're feeling your body. Your client says, Yeah, my body feels this way. You just go now.
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Actually, you're wrong on that.
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I know how you feel. You don't?
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Yeah. Okay, look, we're not we didn't add it that out. And now you can expand on why that was painful for you.
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I wasn't so much more dramatic than it was.
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The thing is, is it just I don't I just but it's a metaphor with I didn't put the metaphor doesn't work for me. I would like for you to create your own metaphor.
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This is a part to the last episode, we were describing how I am. I'm crowded by walls of around my castle because I don't want people in and I was trying to describe what I thought you were you didn't resonate. So now you get to create your own.
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And then I feel on the spot and I feel not ready. I feel vulnerable. Like, I feel like I I've been told before that I have walls to Yeah, you know, and I especially have walls with people who want to get in them.
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Oh, uh huh. Yes, you do. You're right. Okay, so you are not a naked dancer. I apologize for that. You're totally right. You do have walls. But once you're in, there's a deep end.
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Is that terrifying? For those of you that are on the inside?
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No, I'm saying it's great. You get you get to see all of the extra, you know, and nakedness.
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Thank goodness. Yeah, exactly.
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You just walked right into that and you're welcome.
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Okay, well, then my walls have been described and we can move along. Okay, so one of the observations that I have made in the time that we have known each other moose is that you are an incredible boss. I think that you lead people really well. And I think that people who work for you and with you respond to you really well as a leader, and I need some advice. Okay, hit me, I find that I am extremely focused on making sure that my employees feel valued, that they feel affirmed that they feel comfortable, that they feel like their work in what they do for me and my clients is really important and really valuable on multiple levels. What I am not as good at is being able to directly say what I need and what I expect. Can you help me?
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Well, for what it's worth, I've gotten worse at this.
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I've given to you for advice.
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Yeah, me too. Um, you know, it's interesting because I I used to be kind of a hard ass when I was in the corporate environment and and i it just seemed easier.
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Let's be honest, when you're inside of a building, and you you know, like, all this stuff that feels like work is around you to really have those hard conversations. And I feel like post COVID or during COVID, but especially 2020. It's a lot harder to do those things on the phone or over zoom. And that's what I've had to encounter is like, you know, accountability.
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I feel like me saying this is how things need to go is good enough. But I don't always see the productivity out of that.
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And that's not from necessarily my team. That's from everyone that I work with, so part of that is I think we're all dealing with a lot. But what do you want to know, again, I want to know how I work on being more clear in my expectations and giving direction because I find myself doing a lot of, I would recommend that we reach out to so and so and do this, what I didn't say was I need you to reach out to so and so in the way that I have taught you to reach out to so and so and you go make this thing happen.
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Yeah, I think you have to do what you just said, the second time, I need like a, I need like a exercise band for that, or something I feel like those muscles in in my metaphorical body, as a leader feel very weak. And at the same time, I can also celebrate that I helped run a pretty substantial event for one of our clients recently.
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And I was there all day from morning until after midnight.
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And the only responsibility I had on site was to be present.
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That's always a good feeling.
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Because every single person that I had hired and I had enlisted to do a job and do a thing, everybody was really good at what their job was. And they did it to the best of their ability.
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And so I didn't have to do anything. I did a ton of pre work like a ton of like setting up things and meetings and conference calls and, and all the things and so I sat back and I thought in this moment, I feel like a really great leader, like I feel like I have done my job and done it well. And I am just watching all the people do what they do. And it felt like a magical unicorn to me. So it's like I do know how to do it. And at the same time, it's like I am finding myself getting frustrated when things are not done in a certain way or in a certain timeframe. And then I'm getting double frustrated because I I'm not good at setting those expectations. And I've always just viewed you as a very direct, very strong boss.
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And so I just thought you might have some advice for me.
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I mean, the thing I would say is just to be exceedingly clear, you know, like, and I would just ask you, What are you afraid of by saying, hey, this, you need to call this person make sure this gets done and we need to done by this afternoon? What are you afraid of them feeling that they won't like me?
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Okay, well, they do. And honestly, I think you're avoiding a lot of pitfalls by just saying that clearly. Yeah.
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And, you know, the reality is, that's where it has to become a conversation of is it doable to complete it in that amount of time? But I mean, you know, because you could do all these things and you do them when you don't have people doing them.
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That sounded like a lot, but it sounds like a lot of doing Yeah, I got lost there too. So yeah, fast forward.
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Which immediately makes me think of the gallbladder meridian that has to do with doing doing doing gogogo decision making. Yeah, well, would you like me to hold your gallbladder points?
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Yeah, if you wouldn't mind Here it is.
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I would be really happy to mousse Do you still have your gallbladder?
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Um, yes, I do not have an appendix. Okay. My goal we talked about midlife last episode My goal is to have as few organs as absolutely possible by the time I'm gone.
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Blind set a goal. Well, I think you're you probably lose at least a pound or two, you know, so like, bring it on. I have a friend that I called the other day and I just said hey, if you need a kidney, let me know.
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Excellent. And he might be in need of one is just gonna say like, what precipitated that comment? Yeah, well, I'm just it made sense because we're talking about organs. Do you consider genitalia and organ?
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Wow. No, I don't.
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Because people will often say that that's an organ, really. So like people will say genitalia is an organ like the liver is an organ. So what makes an organ an organ, it does a function in the body, than it would be an organ. Now, what does that mean that our eyes are organs?
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Let's go back to what I was talking about.
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Or maybe our ears our hands.
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Oh my gosh. Have I ever told No, I don't think I can. Yeah, you just did what we talked about last episode. That's called a tease. What are you teasing us about news.
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I can't like it's too sad. Oh, I can't I can't. By the way Do you realize we have been doing this podcast for almost two years?
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I do realize that and I want you to know how much life It gives me. I feel it in my chest I feel it in my solar plexus. I feel it in my heart. I feel it in my whole body. I love it so much and I love you and producer Sarah so much do you feel it in your pelvic floor? Only if I am doing Qigong and I'm in the stance where I'm squatting and connecting my pelvic floor with the earth. Yes, I do feel it in that moment. Goodness around the peronism I just pictured like, I'm like something from here, ma'am.
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Anyone? Remember? The powers Grace? Like, like who would she have? Yes, I pictured that same blue lightning shooting out of your pelvic floor down to the earth.
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I'm sorry earth that you have to deal with me. But here is my blue lightning from my pelvic floor. Thanks.
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Oh, hopefully it doesn't rip my parents. I am on the way out.
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Oh.
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Is the parent the same? Remind me Yeah, well, we spent a whole episode talking about me calling it the perennial member that time the parent neom is the place in between the genitalia and the anus mercyful heavens that's a little early in the episode to just drop that on their heads.
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Well you're the one that asked the question. Would you like me to describe it as something else? No, no, I enjoyed that. Thank you.
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It's also where conception vessel point one is Oh, if we're talking about the energy flows in the body, I don't know if I've ever had that vessel pressed.
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I can remember maybe during surgery somewhere I can say that it is not been a part of my acupressure experience either. Yeah.
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You know, I last week we talked about the midlife crisis and are not crisis just midlife in general there is crisis to it.
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But I you know, I talked about how the government needs to send out you know, a package joints every month just so you can kind of process all that's happening and your heart and your mind and brain and also they need to just immediately start handing out pamphlets like for women they need here is a pamphlet on menopause. Cuz you don't you don't care until you care. You know what I mean? It's not like in your teens, you're gonna be like, I'm gonna go ahead and read up on this. No, you got bigger things to worry about.
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Well, that reminds me of a conversation that I would have on a regular basis with my doctor's nurse.
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When I lived in Alabama, I was a teenager and this was my diabetes doctor at the time.
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Sarah puts that funny music behind your story because like the when she's when you tell your stories it cracks me up every time. Oh, is it because my stories are boring? No, it's like you just have a certain soundtrack to your story. Oh, I know it's enjoyable I have noticed and I've wondered if it is to add something auditory for the listener that helps them not be so bored. No. Kathy, I'm glad that you named yourself Kathy on the zoom because actually it's there so it draws you into the story.
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Oh, producer home. Yeah, man.
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It's enhancing the story. The Lord just Kingdom Lord, the Lord Christ Himself. Durga herself just showed up excuse me Buddha.
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Can we ask you some questions while you're here? Yes.
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Do you have a moment?
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Do you do you have a moment um, is the peridinium it here's what I want to know God. I want to know if the hora is actually located between the parent em and the belly button.
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Is that an accurate placement of the hora it is if you want it to be Oh, what a good answer. That sounds very godlike.
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It does it sounds like a very new age God It makes me think of this song you guys I've been listening to the song on repeat the past week. It's India's only if, oh, and it goes and you want to you can see the date only. You can find my gosh.
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I like this little that's very good. German of you. Looks like you're wearing some Lita hosen.
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Yes. Hi. vaguely. The whole sentencing and vison Irish lady really fell off the back of a fruit truck or something. By the way, speaking of music, Brady Carlisle's new record is out and the silent days and it is so good. Is it really like is it is it like similar vibes to her last project?
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Yeah, she always likes to like throw in some new kind of references, I think. And since her last record, she and Joni Mitchell have gotten really, really close and her. Her partner introduced her to Jodi's music, and brandy didn't originally like it. This is cool story. You've heard the book.
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Yeah, yeah, I listened to the book. And I remember thinking like, what a what an about face.
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You know, it's like the fact that like, she was like Joni, who Johnny What? And because of her partner's influence on her life, and her partner's love and respect, which I think is very, very well due to Joni Mitchell.
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That now that they're like, friends and stuff, that's so cool.
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It's so cool. So there's a song on there. Is it the you and me on the rock, sir? Or is it this time? It doesn't matter. The point is my people go listen to the record. There is a song on there called you and me on the rock that is so freaking good.
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And that is the Joni Mitchell sort of influence we think so check it out. People brandy Carlo and talking about music. Let's talk about one of our many amazing clients Taylor linhart and her record. Oh, you pronounce it? linhart? Uh huh.
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Yeah, it's Taylor linhart Oh, my gosh, I've been walking around town. I mean, what in the world?
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I would have asked you. I call her a Lionheart.
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I mean, like, it's really fitting like, it's, it is fitting. Yeah, she is incredible. Yeah, she's really amazing. And her new record hold still came out a couple of weeks ago. And I'm so proud of her in this project, and so humbled that I get to be like, the tiniest part of her scope of her career. And one of the songs called the bridge, which I kinda can't listen to without just being just brought to tears was featured on the Mars Hill podcast. Oh, really?
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What is it the the, the religious tragic story of Mars Hill or something? Yeah, what's exactly?
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I don't know. But it's Yeah, I know what you mean.
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The podcast is called the rise and fall of Mars Hill, and is hosted by Mike Kasper. And another one of my clients said that he was listening to it the other day, and that it was really really bringing up a lot of shit.
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Well, you can tell Taylor and by the way, Taylor, if you listen, I want you to know that on Friday, September 17, I sent you a text that said, Hey, Taylor, it's moose. I absolutely love your record. I have been listening all morning. It's haunting and stunning. Reminds me of Lori McKenna and me Lou in so many different ways.
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incredible job. I hope today is full of love for you and encouragement. By the way, the bridge is brilliant. There's a song called the bridge and yes, man. Yeah, so good. Check it out. Her last name is spelled l e n h a r dt. Go check it out.
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Which looks like Lionheart. It does if you have a Spanish or like some sort of accent Lionheart, or that's Irish. I think maybe she has been over exceedingly kind to me. And I've been pronouncing her name wrong the whole time. We've been working together.
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Now. Wow, that would be interesting. Let's just tag her in this episode, and then let her come back to you.
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I think that's amazing.
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Did you just get really nervous?
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By the way, she does often like her Instagram, so I think she may listen. Oh, Lord. We're about to find out how you pronounce her last name. By the way. I appreciate that. Because I have people who have known me for years and still say my first name wrong. It's moose, not me.
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And my sister and I have this like long standing joke of why is the plural of mouse mice in the plural of goose geese. Why is moose not nice? mice? moss.
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Moose is nice. Yeah, it's a conundrum, man.
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It's a real conundrum. Okay, so I want to talk about something completely unrelated because that's how we roll here. I am curious what your charging routine is like, like how I price myself?
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No. Very curious because I know To increase my rates oh wow well used to be on Dickerson road and now I have moved to Wedgwood where it's just a higher clientele yeah different different clientele charging routine okay as far as my devices yes and what device exactly are you asking how when I charge it I am asking you about your charging routine in general because I'm going to suspect that you have several devices that need charging on a regular basis excuse me like you know the one I got you for your birthday oh my gosh, that is so not true and stop it Just stop it it's funny because that was about the same conversation I was gonna share a story about earlier but it was too soon. Okay, so back to charging your devices people I charge my device overnight my phone and my computers always plugged in unless I'm in the living room and then I have a plug there I'm surrounded by a lot of plugs hmm that's nice and Is that like a producer Sarah thing like is that something that has been provided for you what a smart ask me completely like yes I have been known to have my phone die in the middle of the day so yes, like I try and have cords around me etc and in my car I have to always plug my phone in what about you?
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Well I have a bunch of devices that regularly need charging one is my insulin pump one is my cell phone when it's my laptop my iPad but anything else well nothing that I'll bring up on the podcast so I have a very this year's plug in the same one you do Oh my gosh. I really need to interview a friend of ours about her story I know talking about I know exactly what you're talking about about the thunder stick that thing plugs in my yeah what was she told me the other day that it burned up?
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It should bless her heart when you read Thunder sticks like you go through something else and that's not good like hair dryers hair dryers yeah you start frying well in electric heated me seven times but it didn't feel that bad I remember I had this hairdryer one time that as it was like shorting out it would literally lessen blow drying my hair. I've got a handle before where like literally I'm being shocked you know you're just one more time and then you forget to order it and those things are not cheap.
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No, they are not cheap. We're talking about hairdryer Okay, so I was curious about your charging routine and I thought that we probably have a lot of diversity in our listenership as far as how you guys charge your devices and so I'm curious because I am in like a constant state of kind of flurried not really knowing when or how my phone is gonna get charged and then my insulin pump is like if you want me to keep working I'm gonna need you to plug me in but it's got a different charging thing than a lightning cable because it's not an Apple device which made me go down this rabbit hole of why does an apple insulin and insulin pump because that would be cool. And so I'm I just am curious so if you guys would be willing to share we would love for you to call us at 186 6k t m o five You can also text us there you can email us Hello at the academies podcast.com you know it's Hello at cat and moose podcast calm Hello at cat and moose podcast.com you can reach out to us on Facebook on Instagram. And we would just love to hear how do you charge your devices. Also on Grindr at cat and mouse? God help us Alright, so when I was with a group of bodywork practitioners recently we did like an educational session as part of our time together that day and I thought it was really neat and I wanted to see if it was something that even producer Sarah would be willing to do with me on video for our patrons. Absolutely. Okay, so the exerciser put on your Close.
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No, not right now. I can't do it right now. Not right now. No, we'll do it on video for our for our patrons, when we're all together kind of like the Yani steams, you know, right? Um, so the exercise was called attention versus intention, okay. And as a bodywork practitioner, or as probably any kind of practitioner, you can set an intention for your client. So let's say that my intention for you moves is that you have a sense of safety, peace, calm and healing. That would be my intention for you as your bodywork practitioner. So I would hold that intention, as I'm working with you does, that's kind of simple, right? As a human being, I have an attention span, right? So my intention is all of these wonderful, lovely things. My attention might be on Oh my god, there's a stinkbug in the corner of the wall over there. What if it gets on mousse, oh, my God, what's going to happen? Or my attention can drift to, oh my gosh, this argument that I was in a couple of days ago, that still isn't resolved, and oh, my goodness, Baba, Baba, Baba blah.
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And the goal of the exercise was to see without naming the emotion, that distracts the body worker, can the person on the other end? Notice it? Can I as the person that you were massaging, notice when your attention is elsewhere? Right?
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apps have freakin loot Lee. Okay, so tell me about your experience with that?
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Well, I mean, I've just mine was, oh, we both had that same therapist, and she'd fall asleep. That's the first line that maybe your attention is elsewhere? Yes. No, I mean, I have been usually with massage, in particular, it's hard, it's harder to tell because you're kind of just in the zone, like enjoying it, you know, for the most part, but there are times where I have been getting a massage where I feel like they're just like, you know, doing that. And just like rifle in my back. Yeah. And I'm sitting there going, like, Okay, are you in your head about something? And not really like connecting with what is tense in my body? You know, so, I think, you know, it's really easy to tell, or even in therapy sometimes, like, I'll catch my therapist who I freaking adore, fixing her hair and the zoom.
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You know what I mean? Like, Oh, wait, what the heck? What's going on here? You know, and I'm like, I am pouring out my emotions. Why are you not paying attention to me?
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Yeah, why do you care about your hair only cared about me.
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Right? But then again, I'm like, oh, you're human. That's a really good feeling. Yeah, yeah.
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Um, so what is what was the what? Have you felt that first of all, and what is the practitioners goal in a situation like that?
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Um, I haven't, I haven't really tried to feel it. Like I haven't been intentional about going like, I'm going to be in my bodywork session and see if I feel like my practitioner is dipping in and out of her own thoughts and feelings, or mine or what? Like, it just, it hasn't come up for me before.
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Now it will, because I did this whole thing. The thing that I thought was really interesting is the person that I was partnered with in this experiment. She's becoming a dear friend. And she has really been a great teacher to me. And she's awesome. And interestingly enough, I learned yesterday she is from Iceland. Whoa. And basically, like I had my hand I was I was sitting facing her.
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And I had my hands just on the top of her legs like kind of above her knees. And my intention was that she would feel loved and cared for that.
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That was my intention. And then with her eyes closed, and my eyes open, the moderator of the saying, held up a card that said angry. And so I thought about things that made me angry as I was sitting there with my hands on my partner's legs. And I was thinking about things that people have said to me that made me angry. I've thought about things that made me just want to yell and scream. And then there we were sitting outside so there was the squirrel that was going like sounding like it was just being tortured. And I was like, I'm so mad at that school right now because I am the one who recommended that we do this exercise outside and I want that thing to show are like, Yeah, why? So I kept like thinking of things that that like made me angry. And so if the end of part one of the exercise, the moderator checked in with us, and asked how we felt in my partner said, It was interesting at the beginning, I felt very, like loved and cared for and all of that. And then I felt something shift. And I felt like a real yucky feeling in my chest. And then I felt like kind of a yucky feeling in my belly.
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And then I kind of like all my energy flows just felt like, like kind of ik, and I don't know what that was, and then that damn squirrel was she's, yes. Oh, wow. Yes. And so all of that to say is that we did this exercise multiple times with different emotions. And each time, the practitioner and the client recognized that something changed.
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Wow. Well, I mean, I believe that I just don't think we are in tune. And take the time to recognize that usually, you know, like, I mean, you and I, and Sarah and our other close friends will say things like, I'm feeling like you're super stressed right now.
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You know, like, we'll call each other out like that, because we know each other, and we recognize, like, those shifts in the mood, like, you know what I mean, like, we know that, so but that's so interesting to me.
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Because to think that she was so connected to even your experience is fascinating. Yeah, you can just like calm breathe and recognize it, right. And it's like, there were other things going on, we were outdoors, there was a guy like running a leaf blower, like down the street, and there it was breezy. And so we could hear the leaves falling on the concrete and the air conditioner cut on and off, so we could hear the machine start. So it's like, there were all these noises going on around us in the one thing that we go to into was that squirrel, you know, and how it was agitating to both of us to her to the extent that she like felt it in her body. And I probably felt it in mine, too.
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And I'm just too self conscious to not have been able to think of that. But yeah, I just thought it was a really interesting experiment. And it's something that I want for us to do together, and see what happens.
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I'm down for that. Here's the thing, it made me go back to that time that we did that forest bathing nature thing. And one of the things that I remember several people coming back, we were supposed to just originally break up, as before we actually did the forest bathing and just like be present in nature and go, you know, find a spot that felt safe for us and comfortable and where we could just listen. And I remember several people coming back. And I think Sarah was one of them.
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That said, like, I found myself being frustrated that I could hear the traffic from the Interstate, even though we're in the State Park. And I think one of the therapists who was leading that for us said, you know, what would it be like to consider that all of that belongs, you know? And, you know, here's the thing. If somebody said that to me, like three years ago, I would have been like, oh, but and now I'm like, Yeah, man, it all freakin belongs, you know, like, so anyway, I recognize my old self chattering in my head, like It all belongs. But to say that, it's to that point, I think what's interesting is to recognize like, isn't it funny when our experience is interrupted by the squirrel? or whatever you want to say it is?
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Um, how uncomfortable that can be, you know, like, another example would be I've been on a zoom before, and my dogs are just going. Yeah. And it's like, the most important it's not just the normal monthly zoom, you have with the same people. It's like, Oh, no, this, for instance, this is my interview with this college or something.
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Like, are you kidding me? So it's hard to really go like this all belongs, you know, you're like, I want to hang my dog by his tail. But I find it so interesting that I, that idea, you know, like, I, I can't even believe I'm saying this. I need to talk to you a little bit about the DAO de Jing, how do you say, the del de Jean, the DAO de Jing, because Martha Beck is talking about at a time and one of the one of the things she talks about is that one of the things Buddha says is like, the more you stop holding on, there's nothing to hold on to, the more you release, there's nothing left Release eventually right? And the whole point is like life is either happening to you or it's you're happening within it you know Does that make sense? You're making a face that says it does not well I'm I just am I am coming outside of my Western 45 year old white female brain and trying to understand that concept Will you say it one more time?
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Well I'm not saying it exactly as it is but she basically was saying like we're just constantly grasping for like oh maybe this is the thing that's gonna bring me safety or security This is or you know and sometimes it's really hard stuff like health and chronic illness and and all of those things but she's basically saying the less you hold your fist tight eventually there's nothing really left to like grasp for because you're willing to just be in the river and writing that you know, so that that's why you said what you said at the beginning of the episode about Wu Wei like you're just in the flow Yeah, it's the art of doing nothing Yeah, like it's the art of just being yeah is what I'm understanding and so it's just interesting because like before we need to be like that the towel to shame on my mom and I'm like, I don't have a clue what that means. But I'm learning like, I want to dig in I want to understand I believe there's so much wisdom and other you know philosophies sometimes those philosophies happen to have a religious angle to them. I'm looking more for ways to survive this crazy lie. Like things that resonate in my soul. Yeah, well, I think that in a lot of ways that's where religion has has come from, you know, is Yeah, human desire to go How do I figure out this thing called life and death? I have to step away for a moment so I can show you something. Is that okay?
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Yes, please give me one second.
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Why is she taking her clothes off again? She's taking more clothes off now. Not true. Okay, so are you ready for me to show you something that I think is going to revolutionize your life?
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Please? It's the doubt adult coloring book. The complete text of the doubt How do I say it again? The doubt a Ching doubt aging.
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Wow, look at the inside.
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It's cat Will you get me one?
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I will totally get you one. And then every now and then there are 30 different yin yang symbols.
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Whoa. So you have an adult coloring book? And so do I.
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Oh man. And look how nice and thick it is to like it's like it contains fluoro yin yang therapy art for relaxation and stress relief color in the complete Tao teaching text and feel yourself inspired, restored and awakened.
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An ideal meditation tool for adults young and old.
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So why is Tao I know Tao is spelled ta O. But why is the teaching as more of a tea?
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I might be saying it wrong. I am not at least in this iteration of my soul. I am not a Chinese person. So I could be saying it wrong.
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Well, you used to be why no.
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Chinese a meddler. No.
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medlar he used to be in Chinese medlar. I would just metal and things. Yeah, I used to be an ancient Chinese medicine man, which is lovely. Um, I try to check in with him a lot. And I don't I still have not learned what his voice totally sounds like yet. So when it comes to pronunciation of Chinese words, we haven't gotten that far. So I just pronounce it like my instructors pronounce it that they Ching. Yeah. And so some people call it the Tao Te Ao and some people call it the Tao do my understanding is that the more authentic original version of the word which the Tao means the way, right, right is pronounced with like a D, like, like the Tao de Ching.
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Okay, so for those of you who are like, what in the crap are you talking about? Um, let me just give you one of the most popular things from the DAO de Jing. Knowing others is intelligence. knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. So good. I mean, come on. And now there's a coloring book. Did you get that on the Amazonian site?
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I did and I'll get you one. Let me get it for you.
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I'm excited about it. I love coloring and you know, I love quotes anyway. And I'm like, Oh, this is so interesting. Do you think the Christians are nervous about us?
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I think if the Christians are uncomfortable at this point, they've stopped listening. And I think, okay, if the Christians are still listening, I can say that, yes, they may be uncomfortable. And I would invite hearing about their experiences, like I was talking with my sister the other day, and telling her about the astrology lady that I'm going to visit with and all of that. And I said, You know, I told my sister about how she said, Do you believe in reincarnation? Or is it more like a one and done?
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And my sister looked at me with very assured confidence. And my sister said, it's one and done.
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Oh, you know, she was like, that's that just I'm just telling you, like, that's what it is for me. And I much like the astrologists that I've been talking to you like, I honor that, like, I 100% honor. That.
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That is what my sister believes, you know, like, Who? I don't know, none of us know.
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Here's the difference between you. And I though, is that something my sister would say to is like, or she would like laugh under her breath? And I would be like, was that mean, as Oh, nothing she doesn't want to start a fight and then I am in full? Who that how do you know just because, you know, it's an institution, you've been institutions. You know, like, I can't just keep my mouth shut.
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It's it's a real problem at this point. I mean, only with like, people aren't really close to yeah. Oh, yeah. And the podcast.
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But here's the thing. I think we can gather wisdom from all places in life. Yeah. Like, it's so funny that when we travel into these waters, we are both going with like a huge shrug.
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Like, we don't know, we're just walking towards what is interesting. And, and I think it's, it can be such an easy thing to be like, Oh, it's a slippery slope, isn't it?
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Ladies?
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Yeah. And at the same time, too, I think equal of slippery Enos is the judgment of people who have a more defined opinion about what, what is and what is not. And all of that, you know, it's like, to me, if you're truly becoming enlightened in understanding of the way, whether that is God or Buddha, or Durga, or Shiva, or whoever, or, or just believing that you're here for a purpose and a right with it to the best of your ability, right? It's like, if you're truly trying to embody that and act that way, then you actually don't have attachment to how other people perceive it. You know, there's something really freeing in that, like, that does make me want to run around naked, you know, to go like, we don't have to agree like it's fine.
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Okay, can we talk about freaking attachment? Because I think that is exactly what I was trying to describe of like the letting go the unclenched hands like, the so much of the attachment, I think, regardless of what religion, you know, Martha Beck was a Mormon her whole life, her dad was one of the biggest Mormon teachers, and she left the religion too. So forget the religion, let's talk about like stepping outside of what makes people comfortable. I think part of that feeling that we can get from like, wow, this is a very slippery slope. is is there kindness still involved? And is there openness to when there's kindness and openness? To me? We are creating a space for people to explore, like, that's all we're doing. Yeah. But I think what makes people uncomfortable can be well, if you believe that, that makes me worried that I have, you know, cast myself and believe that this whole thing is real. I think it threatens their own belief sometimes. And I and maybe there's reasoning for that, or maybe there's intention for that. But I think it can be it, it can be a very threatening space when people feel like they've gone off the deep end around you.
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Yeah, yeah, I think so too. And I think that that's where we get into trouble is when, and this happens politically, this happens socially. This happens as it pertains to the religious context is when anybody says, No, this is the way it is. And if you don't feel the same, I have a judgment towards you.
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That's when it becomes a problem. You know, and it's like, it's really hard. For example, for me to say that I have space for people who don't believe they should be vaccinated. Yeah, that's really hard. For me, too, it doesn't mean that their perspective is not equally as valuable as mine, right. And so the way that I behave on the way that that makes me feel is where I make a judgment, and then I do an action and then there is conflict, this there is disagreement, there is argument, you know, and it's like, it's also really hard to just kind of float around on a cloud and just go, I'll do me and you do you and I'll be my own snowman, and you'll be your own snowman. You know, it's, that's very hard, it is very hard because especially when it comes to people who are in our families, or extended families, or close friends, where you're like, we have this great connection on this subject, or, you know, this part of our lives, but I don't connect with them in all these different areas. And, you know, that's honestly, like, Sarah has been a huge person in my life to be like, let them be who they are, like, just like they're on their own journey. And that's not easy for me, man. It just isn't.
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Well, especially when, when letting them be who they are, feels like letting them be something that you have been and have grown out of. Yeah, you know, and that might mean that you're evolved or that might just mean that you're on a journey or whatever the heck you want to think. But it's really, really hard to go like, there was a time in my life, where I went to the ocean, and I threw every non Christian quote unquote, compact disc that I owned. I threw it I flung it like the Frisbee. That was the last frisbee I would ever throw into the ocean. And I said, This music is not okay.
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And like they're we're running our beautiful oceans. Right?
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I was ruining the ocean. I was wasting 1000s of dollars because I bought all those CDs A few years later, and was thinking why the hell did I throw these into the ocean? And I believe with my whole being at that time, that that was right. And I pushed it on everybody around me. And so if I see someone or experienced someone who is now in that state of their, you know, ethical or religious evolution, I'm super judgy about it. I'm like, that is so stupid.
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Like, don't do it.
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Don't do it. You know, but you got to let people be where they are. I know it's so uncomfortable. Speaking of crazy shit. A friend of mine sent me a photo this weekend said I was shopping for avocados walking into Walmart. And she was handed this What are they called track a track? How do we describe tracks to people who are not Christians?
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Well, it's not just Christian.
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It's like Jehovah's Witness.
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It's like Mormons. It's not just Christian. Is that the thing?
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Yeah, that's the track on the front. It has two parents with 666 on their foreheads with a child with 666 on their forehead and a hand on the child's head.
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And then I just need to show you this. Just look at this. Just look at the images.
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Oh my gosh, that is horrifying. This is how people want you to come to Christianity. Here's what it says the world becomes one gigantic Witch's coven. Satanism is already saturating the world.
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And then it says revelation nine two and three, the bottomless pit is opened and demonic forces cover the earth the unspeakable appears and mankind goes mad.
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And then it says murderers, drugs raping, sodomized and looting is everywhere. These people will not repent.
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The world is in Satan's grip.
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Wow. And the intention of that track is for the reader to in fear turn to God. Lord Jesus, I asked you to forgive them and let them be where they are. But Lord splashed them with some fiery hot water lashing with some truth. Amen. splashing with some truth, Lord.
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Special thanks to our producer Sarah Reed.
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