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Welcome to the Cat and Moose podcast.
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I'm Cat and I'm Moose.
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This is a true life podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.
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So the shirt that I'm wearing today I wore to from our episode last week.
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Some of you might remember that I went and saw the Blue Angels movie at the IMAX theater the last day that it was showing and I was wearing this t-shirt and I got a medium thing of popcorn with butter throughout, which is how I love to be high maintenance and do.
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And I also got a hot dog and ever since I lived in Germany, I put mayonnaise on everything, and so I like to have mayonnaise and ketchup on my hot dogs.
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And ever since I lived in Germany, I put mayonnaise on everything, and so I like to have mayonnaise and ketchup on my hot dogs.
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And so I'm sitting in my chair in the IMAX thing with my friend who went with me and she was sitting to my right and I'm obviously sitting to her left and I put my hot dog in my lap and I got out my iPhone, so I had a flashlight and this was before previews and all that and I I took, you got your flashlight out for your condiments?
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Yeah, because I couldn't see you know it's so dark in there and my vision's different, and so so anyway, so I opened the packet of mayonnaise and somehow, in my forcefulness and opening the packet of mayonnaise, the mayonnaise went everywhere, landed on.
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My friend got mayonnaise on her shirt in two different places and I had, I had, these big hunks of mayonnaise on my shirt, and so I know I was so sad because this shirt now has like mayonnaise stains.
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You can kind of see it if you look.
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I don't see any stains, I think you're all right.
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I mean, you had a mayo incident, you sure?
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did.
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I had a mayo incident.
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Yes, I did.
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That's great.
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Was the movie good?
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Oh my gosh, it was so inspiring and the plot there really wasn't one.
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So if you're going to see like a story, like it's not, it's not a thing.
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But if you want to see the you know, and like the training and in the behind the scenes and stuff like that, it's very, very moving.
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I spent the first 10 minutes of the movie doing one of these Because it just made me cry.
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It made me so happy that I just like it's like my emotions could not handle how good and sad, you know.
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Because, like the Blue Angels remind me of my dad and of my family.
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Before my dad was not, you know, a part of my family after the divorce and after he died, and so it just the Blue Angels have a lot, there's a lot packed in those afterburners for me and I just really let myself feel it and I was that person in the theater that was like I don't care.
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Do you think there, I feel like you always wanted to fly with the blue angels.
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Do you think you have like regret?
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You're never going to do that, or something?
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I think I'm going to do it, oh it.
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Oh, you are gonna do it still.
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Yeah, I love that you've got to do yeah I'm gonna do it.
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I mean the, the blue angel number seven is the pr plane, like they use that plane specifically to take, you know, people of influence.
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Quote unquote, which I could arguably nominate myself as a person of influence even though I might only be influencing like eight people.
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I still.
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Yeah, I've got a podcast, so, yes, I have not given up on that dream, have not?
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The thing that I worry about is that, um, I, just I, I don't.
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I think I might be exceeding the weight limit right now.
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So do you know that we had this exact conversation like three years?
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ago.
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Yes, I do, I do, I do, I remember it.
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Oh my.
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God it's what we do.
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It is what we do, so you could um, you could ask them if there's a two seater and just pull up the handle in the middle Like to eject myself.
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Yeah, I think that if, for some reason, you feel like you're not comfortable in there, then you just go.
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Yeah, I mean, sounds right, yeah, yeah.
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You could get like a a free jump out of a plane card.
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Card I Card.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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Would you guys do it with me?
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Jump out of a plane?
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No, not jump out of a plane.
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Would you guys, if, like the Blue Angels, wanted to take Cat and Moose the Cat and Moose podcast on a flight, like, and we each got to go up in plane number seven like individually with plane number seven pilot, like, would you do it?
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Oh yeah, hell yeah.
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Okay, I would like to explore what the first thought is in each of our minds when she said that you first Sarah.
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The first thought was as long as I don't have to jump out or drive it.
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My first thought was as long as I don't have to jump out or drive it.
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My first thought is I would shit my pants once you hit like a certain speed.
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I would just like everything would just explode.
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What was yours, kat, is that.
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I don't want it to be over.
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Oh yeah, I want to remember every single way that all the 500 trillion cell trillion Wow, the 500 trillion trillion, trillion, 500 trillion.
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I thought I saw a putty tat.
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I did, I did.
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I did see a putty tat.
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I want my 500 trillion cells to just get to roll around in every moment, from putting on the flight suit, to getting in the plane, to having somebody take video of it, to taking off, and it's like when it's time, when it's like, well, miss Davis, we're about to land, you know, it's like, oh no, I don't want it to end.
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Yeah, you never want things to end.
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I don't.
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I like to feel good, I just really like to feel good.
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Never Just kidding, amen.
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Amen.
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Okay, speaking of the Blue Angels I want to talk about.
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I'm thinking about a few things, so, oh, you want to choose.
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Okay, nervous breakdown.
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There's.
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There's a topic, um.
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The other topics that I would like to cover today are um, have it taking a gap year, and then um.
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The third is annie defranco wow, sarah, oh man, let's start with annie okay, so this does not tie into what you're just talking about, but the others do speaking of the blue angels, let's talk about annie defranco, let's talk about people who inspire us People and things that inspire
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us.
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So yeah, my early 20s, I think, is when I was a big fan because she was a feminist and all the things.
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And anyway, this past weekend I had a chance to see her in the Broadway play Hadestown and she was incredible and um, it was just fascinating to see someone that is this like super hippie, um, singer, songwriter, be as expressive as she needed to be for this Broadway play and um, and it was super, super cool and, uh, I felt the way that you just described with the blue angels, Like I did not want it to be over.
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I, I was just smiling the whole time.
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Yes, it was so cool.
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Love that, I love that.
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What was that?
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What's the storyline?
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that.
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What was that?
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What's the storyline?
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It's like a greek uh story situation tragedy.
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Yeah, um, and a nice mitchell wrote it.
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She's a folk singer in her own right.
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She wrote the whole play and it's been on broadway for five years.
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The show we went to was like the 1500th show, wow, yeah, it was really cool, but Ani, I guess, has just been on this latest season of it and I was like I gotta go see her in this um.
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So the idea is, uh, I would say there's a love story in it and it's a good and evil story, as as things are, and it's also a hey, sometimes things don't work out the way you want them to, um, and how do you witness and and be with that, and so it sounds like star wars meets a lifetime movie yeah, exactly, maybe so a little bit more crud than a Lifetime movie, though.
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Okay, okay.
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Um, well, I will say it was kind of like the story of like Hades and Persephone and then Orpheus and I can't remember the girl's name that he falls in love with.
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Um, and then Hermes is another character, that's kind of like the narrator of it, but it was.
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It was my first broadway, like true broadway show, and I was.
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I was like literally like had my hands on my knees and I was just like like this the whole time wide-eyed and I um, just it was so cool because the band was incorporated into the set on stage, so you had like a trombone player and like a like a cellist and a violin maybe over here, and then over here it was like piano and guitar and upright bass and then the drummer was like kind of underneath part of the set and it was just so cool and everyone had such a great voice and I mean it's Broadway, so like they're, they're all like stellar, you know, yeah, yeah, but I was just totally immersed, completely.
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It was such a good, good time.
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Oh, I'm so glad that you guys got to enjoy that.
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And your first Broadway show, Sarah.
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Like I love that you enjoyed it so much.
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I did, I really did.
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I'm totally in now, Moose, was that your first Broadway show?
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I don't think it was.
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Was it Because you lived in New York?
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Yeah, no, I've seen a few.
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I've seen a few.
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I've seen Les Mis.
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Les Mis is one of my favorites, and then a few others that are lesser known that I can't remember the name of that I've had the chance to see Right now Sarah Paulson is in a show called Appropriate, and I really want to go back to New York and see her in it.
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I'm amazed at how many actors and actresses right now are doing Broadway.
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It's like.
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It's like the cool thing right now.
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Yeah, like, um, sarah Bareilles had that, is it the waitress?
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Is that the one that she was a part of?
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And then it seems like, did Ingrid Michaelson do something, or am I making that up?
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I feel like she wrote a Broadway show or something that.
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Yeah, it's like how neat, like I love that.
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It's like in a day and age where it feels like everything's about the algorithm, like there's something that feels kind of analog about Broadway.
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It's like you can't fake like improv Not that it's improv but it's like you can't fake, like that environment, like you either have shown up or you have it.
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You know, I really appreciate that.
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Yeah, and I loved, like even when you know the lights or the focus was very clearly on this one character.
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Even the characters that were in the shadows of the set are still in full character, like they're just like fully in.
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It's so fun.
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It was really a cool experience.
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Oh, I'm so, so glad that you guys got to experience that.
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That's great.
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Yeah, and we went with a small group of friends and it was just like fun to travel together.
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We were there like in and out in like 40 hours and bumpy ride home into weathery Nashville.
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But it's okay, it was fun.
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It was Cool.
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Nice Welcome to springtime in Nashville, where every day is a tornado warning.
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It's true.
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What have you?
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been up to cat.
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Well, I was thinking about I'm still a little bit stuck back on Broadway and I was thinking about did you guys take your dogs?
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No I flew, oh, but that doesn't stop you from taking your dogs down.
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You know the people who started, invented and and regularly put out the bark box.
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Yeah, these people have come up with bark airlines for dog lovers oh, that's brilliant yes, no, yeah I don't want to put my dog in the bottom of a plane.
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No.
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And this, like this, is literally like a doggy playground in a doggy bougie spa thing.
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Airplane that like flies in the air and they're doing flights now from New York to LA and the average price per person and dog is $6,000.
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Oh, oh.
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Well, that's not going to happen.
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Well, I mean I was thinking we could just tap into our Patreon fund.
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I mean we've got millions in there.
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We're saving and saving, yes, yes.
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Yeah, you're saving for vacation.
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Just for the flight, basically just for the flight, yeah, yeah but isn't that so cool that they invented that?
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it's like they're like the ultimate curators of the the most fantastical doggy experience.
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So smart yeah, and if you go look on on youtube or wherever on the internet, look up Bark Airlines and watch the Bark Air, and the commercial just makes you fall in love with them and their intentionality about how they make this, this opportunity, so special for for our, our four legged furry friends.
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Sir, can you show us?
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I got it.
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Oh, got it right here, let's go, let's go.
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The future of travel is here.
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World-class dining.
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Critically acclaimed in-flight entertainment.
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Custom lay-flat beds with four times the leg room and coming soon Tailwinds the first ever in-air dog park, Introducing Bark Air.
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Finally, dogs will fly the way they've always deserved to first if you think this is a joke, you're not a dog person bark air a 100 totally real airline for dogs.
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Oh my gosh, it's real.
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It's real.
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Oh my gosh.
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Now I just need to be rich.
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I know, I know there's so many reasons we need to be rich.
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So that's what I've been thinking about is oh my gosh, did you go to Broadway and did you take your dogs and did you fly Bark Air there?
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Did you drive all the way to LA just to fly from LA to New York?
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We did not.
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It is something I would do for the dogs.
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Yes, yes, indeed, indeed.
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I'm about to go on vacation this week and I, as we talked about last week, I'm going to Savannah, georgia, and the day that we're recording is on Memorial Day.
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So you're not listening on Memorial Day, and I hope you had a happy Memorial Day.
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So I thought we would talk a little bit about the origins of Memorial Day.
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And did you guys know that Memorial Day dates back to just after the Civil War?
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No, no give us give us what you got.
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Well, I understand that Memorial Day is basically a day to memorialize and commemorate US armed forces in every capacity, whether that's Civil War, world War I to the Korean War, vietnam, you know, the desert, I mean all the wars, all the things, all the terribleness that has happened in the world that our military has so what's the word I'm looking for has so generously volunteered themselves to serve for our country, and so Memorial Day is just a day to celebrate that.
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And I think that in some traditions, you know, people have talked about also expanding it to first responders and, you know, doctors and nurses and stuff like that.
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It's like, really, people who are just in service to other people, and I just thought it might be sweet if we dedicated this episode to all of our veterans, all of our current armed forces, as well as first responders.
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Agreed, we love you.
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We appreciate you Consider yourself dedicated to.
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You have been dedicated, you've been dedicated to.
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I wanted to talk about the origins of something as well, and before I really share it with you, I would like to everyone to kind of take a couple breaths and think about the symptoms you've had recently in your life Low self-esteem, fearfulness, irritability, worrying, feeling helpless, getting angry easily, withdrawing from family and friends, losing interest in your favorite activities, difficulty breathing, uncontrollable crying or stress becoming unbearable.
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Hmm.
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Yeah, I resonate with about 70% of those.
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Okay, how about you, sarah?
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Yeah, probably 60, 70.
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Yeah.
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Okay, good, so you qualify as having a nervous breakdown.
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Great.
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Thank you Fantastic.
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Okay, so I went on this little.
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Uh, I need to name what these things are.
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They're like when I go to my Enneagram five and I just like rabbit hole to a subject do you guys ever do that oh?
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yeah, it's like a journey, yeah, and so I, being a feminist leaning back on some Ani DeFranco, feminist leaning back on some Ani DiFranco I have always found it interesting that you know, like pre 1980s baby, that whenever a woman specifically was dealing with any kind of anxiety or stress or overwhelming let's just say she might actually be expressing her feelings Often she was put away because she was having a nervous breakdown, and part of me has always taken offense to that phrase like nervous breakdown.
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And then I got into my forties and the other day I had this huge aha moment where I was like, oh, I'm having a nervous breakdown.
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I've heard you describe, uh, your own nervous breakdowns as of late.
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I don't know that you called it that but, like you've joked on the podcast about like impending doom and all these different things that may be related to menopause but may also be what some used to call a nervous breakdown.
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So I did a deep dive into the history of the nervous breakdown and I would like to share that with you guys.
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Oh boy All right.
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So right here.
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Uh, let's's see, I want to give credit where credit is due.
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This is from the science museum in the uk the nervous breakdown.
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In the 1700s, the term nervous breakdown referred to a specific medical disorder that was emphatically a disease of the nerves, not a disease of the mind the yeah of shaking around nervously.
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The difference was subtle but crucial, as it kept patients out of asylums.
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So that was in the 1700s.
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Then, it says.
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The nervous breakdown was also known as the nervous exhaustion and nervous collapse, which I can relate to.
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It was characterized by pain, weakness, migraine, headaches and fatigue.
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The condition also included symptoms that we now associate with depression, such as despair, feelings of inadequacy, lack of joy and any aspect of life.
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So this is the most interesting part Popular and medical opinion linked nervous sensitivity to delicacy and refined sensibilities.
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It allowed people with nervous symptoms to avoid the stigma and prejudice associated with mental illness.
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The diagnosis of nerves became fashionable among the upper class I'm not ill, but I'm nervous.
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That was King George III.
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Upper class I'm not ill, but I'm nervous.
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That was King George the third, he assured in his court.
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So what first came to me as I was reading this is my my mean grandma, um, would always say I think we've talked about this before, but like you, kids, make me nervous.
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Like that was always a phrase she said, and I always thought we make you nervous.
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Like I always thought nerves were related to like being afraid of something but are they, are they not?
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it's a good question, isn't it?
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Huh, maybe they are.
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Well, I shit Cat just shrunk me in one sentence Damn.
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No, no, no, like a psychologist would shrink you.
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Not a bad way.
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Oh, okay.
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No, I'm fine, Like you, just like dropped a truth bomb.
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So maybe a nervous breakdown is being afraid of something.
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I mean the anxiety, fear, inadequacy, I mean all that is fear.
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Right, Like all that's water element, that's fear.
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When you say that's water element, what does that mean?
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I just mean I dorkily always try to bring everything around to Chinese five element theory.
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I know I dorkily always try to bring everything around to Chinese five element theory, I know, and the water element that's also represented by the color of blue, black, like kind of think of the ocean, like the deep color of the ocean.
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It's associated with the bladder and it's associated with the kidneys, and the kidneys are known to be where we store our absolute essence, like our absolute core energy, our who we are, and the bladder allows the body to let go of anything that is not serving us, like when we have to go pee, you know, and associated with those organs and those emotional experiences, has to do with the, the element of water, and so that's that's what I meant.
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And emotionally, with the Chinese five elements, each of the elements has, has associated emotions with it, and so fear and trust are the core emotions associated with with water and with those organs.
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So it just that's where it kind of went in my brain.
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I love that and it's interesting to me that the urinary bladder meridian, speaking of the nervous system, goes right up and down the spine and over the head.
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Oh really.
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Yeah, where the nervous system is.
