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Welcome to the Cat and Moose Podcast.
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I'm Kat and I'm Moose.
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This is a True Life Podcast where we explore the quirks of being human.
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I got a cat scratching at my door.
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I got a cat scratching.
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And I'm the cat scratching at your door and I am a naughty whore.
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Oh nice.
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That's good, Guys.
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Real life reflects itself in art.
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It does, and I think at some point in our careers there's going to be a Grammy Award for the most awesome podcast in the world and I think we're going to win it.
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Oh.
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I love that.
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Now, how will we fall underneath the Grammy Awards, because we sing a lot on the podcast.
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Yes, yes, because of our musical, it's called the Recording Academy.
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Yeah, you're right, and we are definitely recording.
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I know I'm recording.
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I'm glad you are, Sarah.
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You're the most important one to be recording because you're the producer, oh shit.
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Well, that's not true.
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I need all three of us.
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This podcast would not happen without her, though.
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We have our names on the podcast and she's the one that makes it happen?
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Not entirely, yeah, and a three fold cord is not easily broken.
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Oh, that's a Bible verse.
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That's the one I was looking at Thomas 1624.
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Are you talking about the agnostic gospels?
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I don't know, is there a Thomas in that?
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Probably.
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I totally used the wrong terminology.
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Oh, I wouldn't even know.
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I was ready to believe you.
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So, speaking of Bible verses, I was trying to look up a passage and Moose thought I was looking at Bible verses, which I was not, but there I came across this, this post, on Instagram, and I wanted to find its source.
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And it turns out the source of this post came from an interview with Krista Tippett on her show on being the best podcast that ever lived besides ours.
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Yes, and she was interviewing a person named Shiha Nai.
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I'm not sure who this person is.
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I'm sorry I haven't done more research, but the thing that was very cool that came to me was this Shiha person wrote well, here in Japan we have a concept called utory, and it is spaciousness.
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It's a kind of living with spaciousness.
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For example, it's leaving early enough to get somewhere so that you know you're going to arrive early.
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So when you get there you have time to look around.
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Oh my gosh, I know and here we are, the ones that are like get there when it's.
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I mean you, moose, I know it will.
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Both you guys we love to get places on time, for sure, but also early, not on time.
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Well, but you don't necessarily want to be there.
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You know what I mean?
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It's like I'm going to get there?
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Maybe you do, depending on the event, but what if we shifted our perspective on this and arrive somewhere early enough to have time to look around before your thing starts and you feel like you belong in that space?
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We were talking about this yesterday.
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Yeah, that's that feels foreign, like a foreign concept to me, and like it feels like how can I have possibly have permanent ink tattoo on my body about being in the flow and not do things like create more space for myself like, my goodness, because you're human.
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That's why I am human.
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You're human.
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But you know what's interesting is I.
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I could make love to the word spaciousness like that.
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I have all affairs with words, because that word to me Can I tell about it.
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That word to me it how you say it describes what it is.
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Yeah, I agree with that Spaciousness.
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You know I am in constant realignment with that roomy poem about the field where there is no wrong doing and right doing, and that's what spaciousness feels like to me, like I can lay in the fields and not worry with my ego but just be.
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And you know, kat, when we went to that event oh, hey, kat, hey Moose, hey, sarah, hi, okay, when we were at that event we got there early because you were one of the hosts at that super cool venue, by the way, in East Nashville.
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But the reason I generally get places early is number one.
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I can sort of stake things out.
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I can see, you know where I will sit in the in the purview of others.
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That's not the right phrase, but it's usually more like me preparing my it's preparation for what could go wrong is why I get there early.
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Like you know, if we have to be somewhere and it's 25 minutes away, sarah thinks you can leave it like 35 after the hour at 30.
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And she's like 25.
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She'll allow like five minutes for extra and it's like oh, my God, you haven't thought about even as a six.
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She hasn't thought about all the things that could go wrong, including that in Nashville sometimes it takes 10 to 15 minutes to find parking.
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Yeah, and you got to build.
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You got to build it in.
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So I leave about an hour.
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No, I leave about a half hour.
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I know this is I'm sharing too much.
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I'm starting to feel vulnerable.
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I get places a half hour early.
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Look guys, do you really?
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I do so?
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You have your Tory?
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No, no, I've.
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I've got anxiety.
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Oh you have anxiety, okay.
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Well, here's what.
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Here's what I heard in all of that is I heard that you have you, tory, you have anxiety in the midst all of that.
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You make love to spaciousness.
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Yeah, I think you're doing something right.
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Yeah, you might be.
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At least you're hanging out with the right kind of things it was a long way around saying I want more.
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You, Tory, like I'm already there.
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So I've got that part down in the you, Tory, like I've gotten to the place early.
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But I want to find peace in that time that I have between and not not use it to be like, oh, let's think about more things that could go wrong here.
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Mm hmm.
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How do you think you can accomplish that?
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Well, you know how people do like organ transplants yeah all the time.
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I mean like I've had at least six this morning.
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Of course.
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So, um, I need a nervous system transplant.
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Oh, okay, okay, my nervous system is shot and it I don't I'm trying to figure out how to ground it again, and but I am so jumpy and I am, yeah, like it's definitely a focus of my life right now is like, how do I calm my nervous system?
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If anyone has ideas cat has an idea.
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I do.
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I have an idea, share an idea.
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I, and it's very it comes from my own personal bias, so I'm just going to start there, okay.
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Um, my, my understanding of one of the most amazing ways to transform not transplant, but transform the nervous system is through all kinds of modalities of body work.
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Oh, you know, I know it.
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I mean it might be true.
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Imagine that.
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I'm sure it's true.
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Okay, Let me read the rest of this little bit.
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Cause it's pretty cool, Sarah.
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Oh no, it's cool, I just I only wanted to read that one part and then I saw this and um.
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So this person then gave all these different definitions of what uteri was to her.
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But one of them was and after you read a poem, just knowing you can hold it, you can be in that space of the poem and it can hold you in its space and you don't have to explain it, you don't have to paraphrase it, you just hold it and it allows you to see differently.
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I love that.
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Wow, I find that to be true that any kind of art or something creative you know, like when you find a song that like is rocking your world, you know, like Billy Eilish is.
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What's the name of it?
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Sarah, what was I made for?
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What was I made for?
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Like, that is the kind of song where you just sit in silence for like a good five minutes, afterwards go in whoa, what did that do to my soul?
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I need to hear that song.
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I feel sure that I've heard it just because Billie Eilish is so popular and I listen to a lot of like playlet.
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Yeah, I mean that would be awesome and I'm gonna I bet you know it, and don't realize it.
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Okay, keep going, though, kat.
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Oh, I was gonna say that I was just gonna bring the Kat perspective to that and tell you about the song that's been in my head now for three weeks straight, and I can't get it out.
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I have listened to it, I have sung along with it really loud, I have gone as far as to consider re-watching the movie that it is the theme song from, and I just can't get this song out of my head, and it's the most codependent song, oh Lord, that probably exists in the world.
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I'm pretty sure it was written by Diane Warren, because she's one of the greatest songwriters of our generation, and it's Celine Dion's the Way you Love Me.
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Oh my God, you love that song.
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You were my strength when I was weak.
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Yeah.
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You were my voice when I couldn't speak.
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You were my eyes when I couldn't see.
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You saw the best there was me.
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It's such a good song.
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You give me up when I was weak.
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You give me strength, cause you believe I'm everything I am because you love me.
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Man so good.
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I remember when that song came out the Christians were like I think it's about Jesus.
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It totally is.
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I know it's about Robert Redford, like is anybody seeing the movie.
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You know that's the top five movie for me, Is it really?
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Oh, it is.
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What movie is it the top five movie for me?
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Because Michelle Pfeiffer, Robert Redford which growing up they were kind of a generation ahead of me, so it's odd that I fell for that.
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But at the time I was a teenager and I was with my boyfriend in the movie theater watching it Brent oh Brent.
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We were like best friends and then we had a little fling on the summer Don't worry, it wasn't dirty, Of course, but we went to the movie together and it's one of the times in my life during that movie that I thought nothing is wrong in my world right now, because that movie is about being a journalist and that's what I wanted to do in some form or fashion.
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I wanted to make documentaries and I mean it just had all the things that I wanted journalism, telling a story, Like I wanted.
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I was so impressed and it was just a great movie.
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I would love for us to watch that movie together, and I would also love to point out, moose, that from my perspective, your dream is coming true every week.
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Oh, with the podcast.
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Oh, it totally is.
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I mean it's a documentary.
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every week we talk about the quirks of being human and of living this crazy life that each of us are living.
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What does it feel like to imagine that you are in your dream?
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If it doesn't feel real.
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It is.
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We're almost 95 episodes in.
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Yeah, I know that's very impressive.
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Hey, sarah, give us some Billy Eilish, here it comes.
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I think it's going to remind you of Sia, like early days, sia.
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Oh yeah, I know this song.
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Listen to these lyrics, y'all.
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I used to float.
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Now I just fall down.
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I used to know, but I'm not sure now, what I was made for.
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What was I made for Taking a drive?
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I was an ideal.
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Looked so alive, turns out.
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I'm not real, just something you paid for.
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What was I made for Cause?
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I, I.
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I don't know how to feel, but I want to try.
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I don't know how to feel.
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But someday I'm mine, someday I'm mine.
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I mean are you kidding me, you guys?
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I mean that's just, I have got so many feels and questions.
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Okay, let's talk about it, let's break down a song.
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Goodness, gracious.
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So real quick before we go too far.
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I've talked about this on the podcast before, but Kat and I years ago, when we were just young little pups, we would have some beverages and go back and forth playing songs and just doing that.
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So let's have that moment.
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Tell us about your feels.
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Oh my gosh, yeah.
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I mean, I, first of all, I I do not know and I kind of at least in this moment, don't want to know kind of the story behind the song, Like I don't want to know where it came from or why she wrote it or who she wrote it with or any of that.
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What I want to point out is that I just wonder, like this is the song that she sang on the Grammys this year.
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This is the song that is like the theme song from the Barbie movie, which I haven't seen.
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It feels so good and I I grew up hating Barbie, Right, Like I hate dolls, I hate Barbie all of it.
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And so.
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so this song, for me, when I listened to it out of that context and just in hearing the sounds and the words and her voice and the production and all of that like it, makes me really sad, oh like it feels really sad to me.
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It's like what have I been made for?
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And then like I'm basically just something you paid for and like then, after watching part of the music video, it's like she's sitting there dressed like Barbie, hanging up these different clothes.
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It feels incredibly empty and sad and like what great art Cause?
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Like I feel like when something makes me feel a thing, that's great art.
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Even if the feeling is not a pleasant feeling, it's still great art.
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I'm so curious what you guys think of it.
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Well, I've never seen that music video, even that far in, and the one thing I noticed is the irony of her being dressed up sort of Barbie style but hanging up clothes that Billie Eilish wears, which are like really baggy.
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They weren't dresses that she was hanging up and so, but they were like Barbie clothes but size of Barbie, but they're more of what Billie Eilish would wear and I found that ironic as she's talking about kind of.
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Who am I and what do I feel?
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like who wrote that treatment?
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Like what a brilliant video treatment.
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I bet she, I guarantee you, she had thoughts around it.
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But I also want to say that I think that that song for me and you know we can debate if a song needs to have a resolution or not, which a lot of people want.
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We only listened to part of the song there, but for me I think that song it also creates some sadness of me, but it it puts words to this idea of like you know, I'm always using the phrase being our authentic self or true self, and that song for me is like poetry around, like wait a minute, am I in a system that I don't necessarily align with, and it just starts asking questions and I love songs that ask questions.
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Yeah, what were you going to say, sir?
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I was just going to say, well, I there's a big part of me that wants to finish watching the video, because I'm sure there's a storyline to it.
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However, the I looked up kind of a story behind the song.
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She wrote this, of course, with her brother, phineas O'Connell.
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She said it was as if this song was a tiny creature inside of me for years, scratching the inside of me.
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As soon as we got that prompt, the creature was like okay, I'm out.
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We wrote it in a period of time where we couldn't have been less inspired and less creative.
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That day we were making stuff.
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We were like we've lost it, why are we even doing this?
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And then the first chords happened and I used to flow and now I just fall down came out and the song wrote itself and there was a couple other spots, so they were in a big like writer's block.
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At first the writers were thinking solely of the character Barbie, and the singer was quote purely inspired by this movie and this character as the way I thought she would feel and wrote about that.
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So she wrote it for the movie.
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She was committed for the movie, yeah.
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And yeah, and we should watch the movie.
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It's great, and you'll understand so much more of this when it's.
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But yeah, anyway, there's lyrics.
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Taken a drive, I was an ideal, looked so alive, turns out I'm not real, just something you paid for.
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What was I made for?
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She sings with breathtaking vocals over soft orchestration.
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I'm writing for myself and I don't even know it.
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I wish observed calling it the trippiest experience.
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This is exactly how I feel and I didn't even mean to be saying it.
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I was absolutely writing about myself and I was thinking about myself from a third person and I was thinking about myself objectively, which also made me feel really connected to her and me.
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Every single lyric is exactly how I feel.
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It's about my life.
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Wow, that was Americansongwritercom.
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I've never heard her talking about the way she sang that and how she had never whispered like that in a song and how.
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I don't know if it was Phineas, but somebody said what if, like she, it was so emotional to her and she said as soon as I started singing that way, I was like this is how the whole song is gonna go, and I think that's what's so haunting about it.
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Yeah, man she's so brilliant, well, great, okay.
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So music and things that make us feel, all the things makes me think about.
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I went to St Louis this week.
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I went on a work trip with one of our clients and we visited one of the radio stations moose, that you work with on a regular basis and I do too, and that sounded so stupid.
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Why are we?
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I didn't know we were a criticism podcast.
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Yeah, I know, I know.
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Yeah, we visited one of the radio stations that we work with really often and some of the people that work there even listened to our podcast, and so it was a real kind of shot in the arm for me this week, because the people at this radio station really love my client and you know he was there to, you know, record a bunch of different things, everything from like videos to liners, to being on air and doing interviews and stuff like that, and so we did all of that and it was really fun for me because I felt celebrated being there too, like as cat, because there were a few people there that listened to the podcast and there are a few people there that I have known for 25 years or more, you know, and from when I'd used to call radio stations and stuff like that, and so it just was really cool to me to receive encouragement from an angle that I wasn't expecting it this week and that just felt really good.
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And then the event that we did together the concert was just fantastic and our client did a great job.
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Like all of his jokes really landed and the stories behind certain songs really seemed to resonate with the audience and the audience was like singing back every single word of every single song.
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It just it was just a great event.
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And then I ended up getting to talk to some other friends from the station about, you know, everything from like therapy to life, to, again, the quirks of being human, our podcast, and I got a shout out from stage.
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It's like all of it felt super good.
