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We talk to a lover of words, Staci Frenes (https://www.stacifrenes.com/) about her life, her writing (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00O8J0K2M/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_hsch_vapi_tkin_p1_i1) , her music (https://www.stacifrenes.com/music) , and her new book, Love Makes Room (https://www.amazon.com/Love-Makes-Room-Learned-Daughter/dp/1506468632) . Staci shares, for the first time, revising a headspace from over a decade ago among friends (https://www.katandmoosepodcast.com/) and family (https://www.abbyfrenes.com/) and how that informed her latest offering (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRYbSvi2Ih8) . Bon Iver (https://open.spotify.com/track/2cbic3TiUENlJX91y67ARR) inspired a powerful conversation (https://youtu.be/K7UloVeCxTs) that led to this book being formed. Moose and Staci are inspired by Dani Shapiro (https://danishapiro.com/) , and we celebrate Abby being her own snowman (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/kat-and-moose-podcast/id1499295192?i=1000465790953) . Staci's blog "What I Learned About Love" (https://www.stacifrenes.com/blog/2015/6/26/what-i-learned-about-love-when-my-daughter-came-out) was a game-changer and being picked up by the Huffington Post (https://www.huffpost.com/author/staci-frenes) was a career earthquake (https://youtu.be/o51cN-oxm0o) . We are only as sick as our secrets (https://www.recovery.org/were-only-as-sick-as-our-secrets/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWe're%20only%20as%20sick,released%2C%20its%20power%20is%20lost.) is an a-ha (https://youtu.be/djV11Xbc914) moment for Moose (and Staci) and a study of theology reveals a lot about damaging interpretations of Scripture.
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